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08-03-2017 , 04:04 PM

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I guess this was the announcement Trump was going to make tonight.

08-03-2017 , 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jman220

Grand juries are regular people on jury duty, but sworn to secrecy. Revealing the goings on of what's happenning in grand jury is a crime.

I am not a lawyer, but I'm like 99% sure that you can reveal what's happening if you're called to testify, but not as a lawyer, juror, etc. That's how we usually learn about them.

08-03-2017 , 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

How do Grand Juries work? Are they regular people like normal juries? Elected officials? What? I'm embarrassed I don't know this.

They are drawn from regular citizens from within the federal district the grand jury is being held in.

08-03-2017 , 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

I am not a lawyer, but I'm like 99% sure that you can reveal what's happening if you're called to testify, but not as a lawyer, juror, etc. That's how we usually learn about them.

That's correct, however there could be other statutes at play that prevent witnesses from revealing what they've testified about. (For example if it involves classified information).

08-03-2017 , 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

Trump's big announcement tonight is firing Mueller, right?

I guess it's the West Virginia governor switching parties:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/u...rump.html?_r=0

08-03-2017 , 04:07 PM

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Trump big announcement is a reality show to determine who gets to sit on the grand jury investigating him. Made a deal with Mueller that the grand jury will be made up exclusively of West Virginia coal miners.

08-03-2017 , 04:07 PM

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Why do people keep saying he won in New Hampshire? HRC won New Hampshire.

Only because of all the illegal voters smuggled in by the DNC.

08-03-2017 , 04:08 PM

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Oh good - so we're like 1 away from Constitutional Amendment now? (WV gov)

08-03-2017 , 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

Trump's big announcement tonight is firing Mueller, right?

WV gov switching parties from D to R at a trump rally tonight

he would probably wait until friday to fire mueller

08-03-2017 , 04:09 PM

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A Grand Jury? In DC? Oh man, someone quickly tell Trump he's probably under investigation by now.

08-03-2017 , 04:10 PM

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08-03-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Oh good - so we're like 1 away from Constitutional Amendment now? (WV gov)

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James Conley Justice Jr. (born April 27, 1951) is an American coal mining and agriculture businessman and politician who is the 36th and current Governor of West Virginia since January 2017. Owner of over 50 companies, including The Greenbrier, a luxury resort, Justice is one of the few billionaires from the state of West Virginia.

Having a hard time imagining a Constitutional Amendment the GOP would get through to the states that a guy like this would oppose, regardless of what the letter after his name is.

08-03-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Someone tell Fox this news is not a nothingburger.

08-03-2017 , 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Joe Manchin would be ****ing insane to give up a senate seat that he's likely to win again (based on his approval rating) to join this ****show of an administration. He could be fired 1 day after being appointed. No way is he dumb enough to do this.

08-03-2017 , 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueWillow

Is trumps only chance of survival pivoting away (universal healthcare etc.) and hope the left is willing to get behind it as a FU to the trump voters?

A sort of here's your healthcare you ungrateful **** - as you would a child.

The most stridently anti-Trump Americans are not "the left" who would favor a more socialized healthcare system. That group seems to be relatively indifferent and/or clueless about policy. So this strategy would certainly fail.

08-03-2017 , 04:14 PM

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So Trump gives Manchin a cabinet post, newly GOP governor appoints a Trumper as the new Senator from WV, and Trumpcare wins 51-50?

08-03-2017 , 04:14 PM

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New attitude from the WH: We were not aware that a Grand Jury was enpaneled. We have been cooperating fully with the investigation since June 1st, because we want this over with as soon as possible.

(paraphrased)

08-03-2017 , 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

What if Trump fired him a week later.

08-03-2017 , 04:16 PM

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Is this something that has been floated somewhere? First I'm hearing of it.

08-03-2017 , 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

If Mueller wasn't finding much and planned on wrapping up soon, he wouldn't need a grand jury, Also since the Flynn investigation already has a grand jury impaneled IIRC, and Mueller wants another one, then we can conclude his investigation is beyond Flynn.

So:

1. investigation is larger in scope than the best-case scenarios for Trump
2. investigation is broader than Michael Flynn

sounds like good news for democracy.

Thanks you!

08-03-2017 , 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jman220

Grand juries are regular people on jury duty, but sworn to secrecy. Revealing the goings on of what's happenning in grand jury is a crime.

I've never been summoned for jury duty, I'm overdue. I would take the $100/day or whatever it is to get in on this.

08-03-2017 , 04:26 PM

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It's worth noting that if the plan was to appoint a Democrat from a state with a Republican governor to a cabinet post, there would be many others, including several facing re-election in 2018 (Tester, Donnelly, McCaskill, Heitkamp come to mind)... There are also a few from states that tend to be reliably blue at the federal level, so those governors may be hesitant to subvert the will of their electorate for their own future electoral purposes.

08-03-2017 , 04:27 PM

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lol 6th dimension chess skinny repeal theory.

08-03-2017 , 04:28 PM

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"THIS IS IT GUYS!" Take #342, annnnd action!

08-03-2017 , 04:29 PM

#50350

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

Grand juries are used to indict, but also have an investigative function as well. In cases like this they can also sit and hear evidence for long periods of time before indictments are voted, so don't expect something imminently. Then, even when indictments are voted, they can remain sealed for various reasons for a while.

Is the calling of a grand jury a certain sign that Mueller is seeking criminal charges in connection with the Russian probe?

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