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07-31-2017 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
You guys see what I'm having to put up with today? This can't be a real post outside of the Twilight Zone.

An uncut Congressional hearing is not "a utoobz" by any stretch.

3-4 mid-sized posts of context is not "watch this" by any stretch.

Why are you trying to make me sound like a conspiracy theorist without needing me to actually be one? This is exactly how pile-ons gain momentum.
It's a tedious posting style. Take this thread, where the JAQ'ing off conspiracy theorist style was pointed out:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...ories-1681079/

You: let's discuss the media and if they bury stories
Me: OK, that probably happens, what's your point
You: what if I were to tell you MSNBC knows Trump funnels billions to Soviets

It's tedious. No one is as dumb as you're treating them. If you want to talk about your pet theories about how Trump gave Putin billions out of the US Treasury, just ****ing say that. You're wasting everyone's time; people are giving you far more patience than you deserve. You very transparently want to say this stuff, just go ahead and say it. The ultimate point of your random YouTube videos and a bunch of disorganized questions and thoughts are obvious, so just say the stuff you're thinking. You've already developed a persecution complex; so you haven't avoided the feeling of having your head chewed off. You've just made it harder on yourself and the people responding to you.
07-31-2017 , 01:09 PM
only posting to say that william browder's testimony was deemed important enough to have its full transcript posted to theatlanic.com and is thus the second most popular article on the site right now.
07-31-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Dude you're not some MAGA chode, don't post like one. Have a thesis.
I hadn't read the MSM Holding Back Stories thread when I made this post.

I withdraw it. Get the **** out of here with this weak bull****. Learn things! Know who Kushner and Kelly are! Facts->Opinion->Post. Get the **** out of here with this conspiratorial bull****. To bring back a DVaut post about someone else, if this is how you handle politics as a hobby, investing HOURS into random Senate hearings but not knowing who John Kelly was prior to today, find a new leisure time activity.
07-31-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
It's a tedious posting style. Take this thread, where the JAQ'ing off conspiracy theorist style was pointed out:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...ories-1681079/

You: let's discuss the media and if they bury stories
Me: OK, that probably happens, what's your point
You: what if I were to tell you MSNBC knows Trump funnels billions to Soviets

It's tedious. No one is as dumb as you're treating them. If you want to talk about your pet theories about how Trump gave Putin billions out of the US Treasury, just ****ing say that. You're wasting everyone's time; people are giving you far more patience than you deserve. You very transparently want to say this stuff, just go ahead and say it. The ultimate point of your random YouTube videos and a bunch of disorganized questions and thoughts are obvious, so just say the stuff you're thinking. You've already developed a persecution complex; so you haven't avoided the feeling of having your head chewed off. You've just made it harder on yourself and the people responding to you.
Exactly this.
07-31-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I didn't study his tweets, because good grammar and restrained posting are imo prerequisites for a person to be a credible expert. But I did click one thread where he argues with a reasonable sounding guy and comes across pretty tinfoil-y.
Except when their expertise is poker.
07-31-2017 , 01:40 PM
I know the answer is because he's stupid, but why does Trump keep saying there's "no WH chaos". Surely it can't be good for him to keep using that phrase. Shouting over and over 'no chaos' is a pretty great way of convincing everyone it is.
07-31-2017 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Except when their expertise is poker.
Meh. I can't recall an unhinged or subliterate 2p2er giving good strat advice. Ime, competence -> decent grammar in most fields.
07-31-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
I know the answer is because he's stupid, but why does Trump keep saying there's "no WH chaos". Surely it can't be good for him to keep using that phrase. Shouting over and over 'no chaos' is a pretty great way of convincing everyone it is.
its because he's stupid
07-31-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Ding ding ding.

I mean, I'm stealing this from Chapo, but the idea that Vladimir Putin, SuperSpy, has a grand scheme to steal the White House and his chosen tools are

Donald Trump, a senile old racist
DJT Jr., a man so stupid he literally posted incredibly damaging and possibly incriminated emails on Twitter
Mike Flynn, the Pizzagate General whose primary skill is getting fired

makes Putin seem like a fish who got hit by the deck than an actual mastermind.
There's some results-oriented thinking wrt Putin. If Trump loses, nobody sees Putin as some kind of tactical genius. Instead, we see him as a guy so desperate to destroy America that he latched onto Donald Trump. I don't think we necessarily see him as some kind of idiot but as somebody who tried and failed to crush democracy in America. It's something he's tried to do to other countries with varying degrees of success.

It's kind of like throwing a Hail Mary pass in order to score the game-winning points in the Super Bowl. If you don't complete the pass, oh well you weren't expected to anyway. So it's no big deal. But if you do, all of a sudden you're the greatest QB ever because you led a team to victory in the biggest game of the year when the chances of winning were almost zero.

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What I wonder is what our response would be if Trump lost. Would we thump our chest about how strong and powerful American democracy is? Or would we be concerned about the fragility of it and take the threat of subversion seriously?
07-31-2017 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
There's some results-oriented thinking wrt Putin. If Trump loses, nobody sees Putin as some kind of tactical genius. Instead, we see him as a guy so desperate to destroy America that he latched onto Donald Trump. I don't think we necessarily see him as some kind of idiot but as somebody who tried and failed to crush democracy in America. It's something he's tried to do to other countries with varying degrees of success.

It's kind of like throwing a Hail Mary pass in order to score the game-winning points in the Super Bowl. If you don't complete the pass, oh well you weren't expected to anyway. So it's no big deal. But if you do, all of a sudden you're the greatest QB ever because you led a team to victory in the biggest game of the year when the chances of winning were almost zero.

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What I wonder is what our response would be if Trump lost. Would we thump our chest about how strong and powerful American democracy is? Or would we be concerned about the fragility of it and take the threat of subversion seriously?
Preemptive caveats:
- Vladimir Putin is a very bad person
- He wanted Trump to win and did dirty tricks
- Donald Trump is almost surely covering up various crimes

Those aside.

Everyone, from the New York Times and WaPo to liberal aligned media to Obama to even the Clinton campaign treated Russian-interference stories as just a minor annoyance before the election. Precisely because they assumed they didn't matter much. Any honest Bayesian analysis would factor that. I mean, this is The New Republic, on Election Day:

If Trump Wins, Don't Blame Russia

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If Trump wins tonight, it will be solely the fault of Americans. Holding up Russia as a scapegoat won’t account for the very serious problems that brought us to this point. Even if Clinton wins, it looks like it will be close. And we’ll have no one to blame but ourselves.
That was the correct take, because everyone knew beforehand that most of the supposed effects were penny-ante angle shots.

It's good to factor in new information, so I don't begrudge people who have taken a second look after the election. But even after the election, the Putin-as-super-villain and Crime of the Century stuff is incredibly overblown. The actual actions taken were a bunch of low rent hacks and cheap propaganda manufactured and sold to morons who gleefully lapped it up. Including some members of the Trump family and inner circle apparently. Trump is surely guilty of innumerable scams and many probably involve Russia. But these remain plot points in a refined prequel to Idiocracy, not the maneuvers of a really well written and clever Bond villain.

Hysterical focus on Russia serves the interests of scam artists like Eric Garland and Louise Mensch plying clicks out of desperate liberals, and the retread NeverTrumper right wing coalition, your David Frums and Bill Kristols, who desperately want to take down Trump and return back to the halcyon days when George W. Bush was the moral and intellectual center of the country. I have found the story good for yucks, it's useful as a kludge to distract and obstruct Trump and perhaps ultimately impeach him; and perhaps it could be quite useful to the left as an example of the fragility and pretense of right wing populist nationalism as a front for the collusion of rich oligarchs like Putin and Trump if they ever dared tell a tale that might criticize accumulated wealth and hints at how class warfare is waged internationally. Other than that, it's a pretty transparent post-hoc overreaction.
07-31-2017 , 02:37 PM


Lol rip
07-31-2017 , 02:38 PM
LOL

flew too close to the sun obv
07-31-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz


Lol rip
Sounds like bull**** so far.

Okay, maybe not. ABC is reporting it.

07-31-2017 , 02:40 PM
we barely got to know him
07-31-2017 , 02:40 PM
If the story about pee tapes and Trump potentially being compromised are real then it's hardly a minor story.
07-31-2017 , 02:42 PM
this is disturbing on lots of levels

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics...tual-awakening
07-31-2017 , 02:43 PM
LOL, sells his company & loses his wife for a 10-day job
07-31-2017 , 02:43 PM
like a well oiled machine

you guys tired of winning yet?
07-31-2017 , 02:44 PM
Apparently it was the news Chiefs of Staff, John Kelly, who forced him out.

The decision to remove Mr. Scaramucci...came at Mr. Kelly’s request
07-31-2017 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nyc999
LOL, sells his company & loses his wife for a 10-day job
and missed the birth of his son
07-31-2017 , 02:45 PM
Lol wtf. Can that be real. Dude had his job for one week.

No chaos is the whitehouse
-trump
07-31-2017 , 02:46 PM
mooch out lmao
07-31-2017 , 02:46 PM
OMG what?
07-31-2017 , 02:47 PM
did mooch ever technically start his job as white house comms director?
07-31-2017 , 02:47 PM

      
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