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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-03-2017 , 05:09 AM
Mr. President, tear down this invisible wall.
02-03-2017 , 05:47 AM
****, at least the Germans bothered with the theatrics of dressing up as Poles to attack the Gleiwitz tower. On the one hand, you have to appreciate Conway and Rand Paul just making up a terrorist attack, I suppose if you're going to use false flag propaganda to justify your draconian measures, it's better that they be entirely fanciful. On the other hand, a part of me can't help but marvel at the laziness of it all.
02-03-2017 , 05:50 AM
Related, the best part of the brewing fictions about the invisible wall is that it's so purely Trump. More conventional politicians would walk back the rhetoric and talk about all their investments in technology and scanning and policing and dronez or whatever that made the wall unnecessary but still keeps America secure.

Trumpinists insist it's just a wall you can see through.
02-03-2017 , 05:51 AM
Also surprised Trump didn't try to give himself credit for nominating the first black HUD secretary.
02-03-2017 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Bowling Green Massacre was a huge massacre, biggest massacre ever, but the fake news is telling people it never happened. Sad.
All kidding aside, these jokes aren't funny. Some of the wounds are still fresh for the victims. Show some respect.
02-03-2017 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
All kidding aside, these jokes aren't funny. Some of the wounds are still fresh for the victims. Show some respect.
Most of Trump's black friends died in that massacre.
02-03-2017 , 06:35 AM
Any idea what a renegotiated NAFTA would/could/should look like between the US and Mexico? If anybody stumbles across a decent analysis please post.
02-03-2017 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
There are people on this forum who seem to have a real hardon for authority.
Yeah.... they are called evolutionary biologists. I don't know what you mean by that silly statement, but copious volumes have been written how the R complex controls emotion, the desire to follow leaders and the such.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
"Don't want to get beat up? Don't mouth off to cops. Simple as that."
Yeah... that position was put forward at the bastion of conservative thought the Fillmore East circa 1969 by philosopher John Mayall:



The Laws Must Change John Mayall

The time must surely come
For the laws to fit the times
The time must surely come
For the laws to fit the times

But while the law is standing
You gotta open up your minds

It seems to be the fashion
To say you're right and they are wrong
It seems to be the fashion
To say you're right and they are wrong

But you gotta see both sides
You'll find yourself in jail 'fore long

You're screamin' at policemen
But they're only doin' a gig
You're screamin' at policemen
But they are only doin' a gig

Gotta try and take the time
To figure out how the issue got that big

Lenny Bruce was trying to tell you
Many things before he died
Lenny Bruce was trying to tell you
Many things before he died

Don't throw rocks at policemen
But get the knots of law untied

Every time you're holdin'
You are guilty of a crime
Every time you're holdin'
You are guilty of a crime

The laws must change one day
But it's goin' to take some time

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
"Don't want to lose your house? Don't be a day late on your payment."
Probably a good idea to pay it in a relatively timely fashion
02-03-2017 , 07:21 AM
I never cease to be amazed by the lack of agency from Trumpkins. The post-election world has just an astounding amount of "mean liberals MADE ME vote for Trump, to prove their accusations of being a deplorable racist were so hurtful, I just had to pull the trigger for a white supremacist, I was really left no choice by their incendiary rhetoric that made me feel bad, I was just forced to add my voice to empower a white supremacist to show them their estimation of my racially egalitarian nature was very wrong, by electing a racist."

Now cut to the Trump Presidency and the escalating authoritarian gestures. "Oh sure, we're advocating for the cops to beat the **** out of protestors, but let's face it, that's not the real me, evolutionary biologists agree I'm simply hard-wired to cheer this on!"

I like the meta argument taking shape here: inside the real, genuine heart of every Trump voter lies a sincerely lovable and decent person, friend to all, who exudes patience and grace for their fellow man, committed deeply to liberty and freedoms for all. Which is why it's such a shame that mean liberals and the curse of evolutionary biology have made them into a gaggle of mouthbreathing morons openly pining for jackbooted authority and bootlicking Daddy Trump, I mean we wish it could be different but it just can't, sorry.

Last edited by DVaut1; 02-03-2017 at 07:27 AM.
02-03-2017 , 07:24 AM
do you wanna grab her by the pussy?
02-03-2017 , 07:29 AM
lol former norwegian prime minister held back at the alt-vip-lounge

Last edited by yeSpiff; 02-03-2017 at 07:30 AM. Reason: extreme vetting
02-03-2017 , 07:41 AM
I heard that a part of the invisible wall will be a memorial with the names of the Bowling Green massacre victims.
02-03-2017 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
On the British population becoming more and more conservative over generations.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7557351.html
It's what some of us call the triumph of Thatcherism. Not only did she lead a right wing government but she changed attitudes considerably and quickly. Depressing but also worth bearing in mind when people say it cant be done.

We're seeing it change back a bit but it's left a gap of several generations in left wing politician - that's why we have an oldie leading the labour party supported by the youth but with a gaping gap of experienced politicians in between needed to lead the movement and fill the key roles
02-03-2017 , 07:52 AM
Trump is now going HAM on Twitter, slamming Arnold, Iran, Obama, FAKE NEWS and of course the PAID PROTESTORS.
02-03-2017 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1

Now cut to the Trump Presidency and the escalating authoritarian gestures. "Oh sure, we're advocating for the cops to beat the **** out of protestors, but let's face it, that's not the real me, evolutionary biologists agree I'm simply hard-wired to cheer this on!"

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You don't seem like a stupid fellow, but I cannot believe you are that obtuse to believe what you wrote above.

There isn't any argument that from reptiles on up most species have found an evolutionary advantage in being hard wired toward authority. not recognizing that fact is jsut foolish.

However, that doesn't mean succumbing to these baser instincts is a good thing, it is just a fact of biology.

I cannot speak for others but having grown up during the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War, I have an abiding respect for peaceful protest. There is a reason why Dr King and Ghandi are almost universally revered and others are roundly vilified in places other than the old home for the Weather Underground.

The number of people rooting for the police to beat the crap out of those exercising their constitutional rights in a peaceful orderly fashion are few while the number rooting for those who are lighting fire to **** and endorsing non peaceful means to be punished are numerous, imo.
02-03-2017 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
I heard that a part of the invisible wall will be a memorial with the names of the Bowling Green massacre victims.
Good one!
02-03-2017 , 07:54 AM
Jesus. I mean even Putin takes the time to create staged events that he then blames the groups he then oppresses. Trump oppresses first, then straight up invents events that never happened. That's how lazy he is, and how appallingly stupid his supporters are.
02-03-2017 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
You don't seem like a stupid fellow, but I cannot believe you are that obtuse to believe what you wrote above.

There isn't any argument that from reptiles on up most species have found an evolutionary advantage in being hard wired toward authority. not recognizing that fact is jsut foolish.

However, that doesn't mean succumbing to these baser instincts is a good thing, it is just a fact of biology.
lol bro you're ostensibly a grown ass man, take some responsibility for yourself, my goodness. If you sit there throwing a parade hero cops and Donald Trump whenever they take the baton to protestors and tweet about Making American Great Again because of it, that's totally on you and your misanthropic loathing for people. No1 currs about how your neurons fire or the FOXP2 genome development in early sapiens, no one but fellow-traveler miserable Trump clown train passengers is going to give you a moral pass for your hatred of democratic principles and freedom and your embrace of jackbooted thuggery. That's on you dude. On you. A conscious choice you make with your own free will.
02-03-2017 , 08:32 AM
You're making a big mistake if you don't think people care. Most of us recognise how what we do and say effects what others do. That doesn't diminish their responsibility for what they do. Much of it is a result of unconscious processes - that doesn't diminish their responsibility either

Its one of the reasons why trumps language matters so much.
02-03-2017 , 08:33 AM
It seems that people all across the political spectrum absolutely love Martin Luther King, Jr. Let's see what he has to say about unjust laws inflicted upon the majority by an oppressive minority.


Edit: Source: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/k...irmingham-jail

Last edited by einbert; 02-03-2017 at 08:38 AM.
02-03-2017 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
lol bro you're ostensibly a grown ass man, take some responsibility for yourself, my goodness. If you sit there throwing a parade hero cops and Donald Trump whenever they take the baton to protestors and tweet about Making American Great Again because of it, that's totally on you and your misanthropic loathing for people. No1 currs about how your neurons fire or the FOXP2 genome development in early sapiens, no one but fellow-traveler miserable Trump clown train passengers is going to give you a moral pass for your hatred of democratic principles and freedom and your embrace of jackbooted thuggery. That's on you dude. On you. A conscious choice you make with your own free will.
If a "protester" violates the law, they should be prosecuted.... interesting definition of "jack booted thuggery"

I'm looking for the instances under Trump where the police used excessive force (take the baton unnecessarily) against peaceful protesters. If you find any I'll be happy to decry them.

Any examples come to mind?

I am not the one protesting the out come of a fairly contested election and crying about it incessantly. Obama won fair and square by the established rules as did Trump much to your eternal chagrin.

Next time win the election by the established rules....
02-03-2017 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
Trump is now going HAM on Twitter, slamming Arnold, Iran, Obama, FAKE NEWS and of course the PAID PROTESTORS.
It's always the same - I wake up, check Twitter, and he seems to have descended further into insanity.
02-03-2017 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It seems that people all across the political spectrum absolutely love Martin Luther King, Jr. Let's see what he has to say about unjust laws inflicted upon the majority by an oppressive minority.
Who argues against what Dr King wrote in your above passage.

If you are trying to say any law signed by President Trump is somehow unlawful or immoral because he didn't win the majority of the popular vote. is incredibly stupid.

Presidential elections are not decided by the winner of the popular vote if you didn't realize.

I defend you right to say silly **** til the cows come home , though.
02-03-2017 , 08:45 AM
He not only lost the popular vote by a spectacular margin (since you keep bringing this up, more than 2,900,000) there was also cheating in multiple ways including voter suppression efforts in many key swing states, violation of the Hatch Act by the FBI, and illegal hacking by Russia. For all of these reasons King's words apply to his Presidency overall, but they especially apply to unpopular, unconstitutional actions like the recent Muslim Ban.

What makes a law legitimate? The body that writes that law and enforces it must be legitimate. Currently Trump is not legitimate, and his executive branch is not following orders given by the judicial branch (the CBP is still enforcing his Muslim Ban fully), which gives them a huge stench of illegitimacy. The GOP House is a majority, but they got a vast minority of the votes in 2016, they only have a majority through an endless amount of gerrymandering. The legislative branch doesn't reflect the will or the votes of the people--it is illegitimate. Again, I refer you back to the words of Doctor King, who I know you love so much. Laws put in place by an oppressive minority without the say of the majority are inherently unjust. Now let's see what he has to say about unjust laws.

02-03-2017 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Bowling Green Massacre was a huge massacre, biggest massacre ever, but the fake news is telling people it never happened. Sad.


What in the what? I wake up and now we're just inventing massacres out of whole cloth as a pretext to demonize Muslims? What in the actual ****?

      
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