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02-02-2017 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
in that article it says
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demanding that Russia withdraw from Crimea
among other things, first I've heard of this ?
02-03-2017 , 12:01 AM
Mashing buttons this entire time
02-03-2017 , 12:02 AM
No crimea. You're the crimea.
02-03-2017 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
in that article it says among other things,
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demanding that Russia withdraw from Crimea
first I've heard of this ?
It might be the first time they formally acknowledged the existing official US position. Also, they did ease one of the sanctions.
02-03-2017 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I'll never understand why people want an authoritarian figure in charge. Not a single person alive likes a boss that is an overbearing ******* do it my way or the highway type.
The last hurrah of dying people with dementia and internet trolls who are too stupid to have any real world views.
02-03-2017 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I'll never understand why people want an authoritarian figure in charge. Not a single person alive likes a boss that is an overbearing ******* do it my way or the highway type.
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I don't understand this either. Maybe some people want to feel like there is someone taking care of them, like when kids are little and think their parents can solve anything?
Feels like there's at least an element of spite. Usually they are hoping someone else gets what's coming to them.

I have a theory that people are hung up on fairness issues. These issues are clear in childhood, but they don't disappear later. One kind of unfairness is if pieces of cake are handed out and someone gets a small piece. Some people feel strongly that it's not fair and everyone should get the same sized piece. Another kind of unfairness is like if you have to clean your desk to get a star. If someone gets a star without cleaning their desk, you feel cheated.

The key to all of it, and a human motivation probably as strong as anything short of hunger when you're starving, is the need for esteem and recognition. In the ancestral environment esteem meant life or death, whether you were a child or an adult. You compete for status in society because it's innate. Egalitarianism, or a caste system if you're not at the bottom, can make you feel secure, but if your confidence in it is shaken you will easily fall for a figure who promises your status will be higher than some out group. That is often a race or religion or another country, but also includes criminals and deviants, handicapped, etc.

Last edited by microbet; 02-03-2017 at 12:18 AM.
02-03-2017 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I'll never understand why people want an authoritarian figure in charge. Not a single person alive likes a boss that is an overbearing ******* do it my way or the highway type.
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I don't understand this either. Maybe some people want to feel like there is someone taking care of them, like when kids are little and think their parents can solve anything?
Most people want to be led. They say otherwise, and they always bitch about the leaders, but their actions reveal a deep human desire to have somebody else be in charge. The illusion of freedom is desired. Actual freedom is terrifying.
02-03-2017 , 12:16 AM
Every great team needs a strong coach!
02-03-2017 , 12:27 AM
Oh, the responses to the quoted tweet.

People are going to stop caring...



https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/827365754060275712
02-03-2017 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I don't understand this either. Maybe some people want to feel like there is someone taking care of them, like when kids are little and think their parents can solve anything?
Look no farther than your human evolutionary reptilian brain where aggression, territoriality and ritualistic behaviors are hard wired.
02-03-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I'll never understand why people want an authoritarian figure in charge. Not a single person alive likes a boss that is an overbearing ******* do it my way or the highway type.
I hate them but religious people tend to love them especially when it's for whatever they want. Makes sense, kinda what religion is really. We live in a **** everyone but me world; so not a surprise he's just getting more love with that group out of what he's done so far.

trump backstabbing putin would be incredible. I mean what can you do but tip the cap.
02-03-2017 , 12:37 AM
On my city's FB page, it's rabidly conservative, but I am hearing the rumblings of discontent from a LOT more people than I expected. These are nearly 95% trump voters, my city went bigly red, yuugely. A lot of it seems to be coming from evangelicals.

I'll be ****ing damned if the evangelicals get us out of this mess. On paper it would seem to be a group that's sort of a weak spot for trump, but they still showed up for him en masse so who knows. Especially if he goes hard on the anti gay/anti abortion stuff, they'll love him. But meh. thought it was interesting anyway
02-03-2017 , 12:38 AM
I'm pretty sure the evangelicals think you're damned no matter what they do.
02-03-2017 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
fervent commitment to the ideological concept of #AllLivesMatter
02-03-2017 , 12:53 AM


"Most people didn't know that because it didn't get covered." -Kellyanne ****ing Conman

jfc these ****ers

"Neither person is charged with plotting any attacks on American soil," said David Hale, .S. attorney for the Western District of Kentucky. "These charges relate to activities that occur when they were in Iraq, first of all. Secondly, they relate to conspiracy to aid Al Qaeda in Iraq."

www.wave3.com/story/14756911/2-iraqi-nationalist-indicted-on-terrorism-charges-in-kentucky

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Throwing up a smokescreen for something? Or just rallying support for the Muslim ban?

Last edited by Max Cut; 02-03-2017 at 01:00 AM.
02-03-2017 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Feels like there's at least an element of spite. Usually they are hoping someone else gets what's coming to them.

I have a theory that people are hung up on fairness issues. These issues are clear in childhood, but they don't disappear later. One kind of unfairness is if pieces of cake are handed out and someone gets a small piece. Some people feel strongly that it's not fair and everyone should get the same sized piece. Another kind of unfairness is like if you have to clean your desk to get a star. If someone gets a star without cleaning their desk, you feel cheated.

The key to all of it, and a human motivation probably as strong as anything short of hunger when you're starving, is the need for esteem and recognition. In the ancestral environment esteem meant life or death, whether you were a child or an adult. You compete for status in society because it's innate. Egalitarianism, or a caste system if you're not at the bottom, can make you feel secure, but if your confidence in it is shaken you will easily fall for a figure who promises your status will be higher than some out group. That is often a race or religion or another country, but also includes criminals and deviants, handicapped, etc.
I'm not sure about the fairness part, but that could be because I grew up being told not to expect life to be fair quite a bit from my parents. I agree with the spite and need for esteem and recognition. People in central PA and rural Michigan aren't usually considered the cool kids. Taking a swipe at an establishment figure, backing someone who speaks out about their concerns, and thumbing their nose at people who call them stupid shouldn't be unexpected behavior.
02-03-2017 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
On my city's FB page, it's rabidly conservative, but I am hearing the rumblings of discontent from a LOT more people than I expected. These are nearly 95% trump voters, my city went bigly red, yuugely. A lot of it seems to be coming from evangelicals.
What are they mad about?
02-03-2017 , 01:16 AM
Bowling Green Massacre is trending on twitter and it pretty funny, in a wtf these clowns I cry for our country sort of way.
02-03-2017 , 01:19 AM
Testing how much total BS they can get away with I guess. Was disappointed in rand saying it because he isn't fully aligned with R's on all issues.

Fairness has a different meaning for everyone so it seems pointless to argue.
02-03-2017 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Oops, the guy who gets stuff done and loves oil and pipelines just accidentally froze their approval process...

Trump loves pipelines. But he just accidentally froze a bunch of them
Administration is full of imbeciles. I like how this was the genius idea of the energy transition team.
02-03-2017 , 01:25 AM
The jobs rhetoric plays big to the rural crowd, as there's ~0 decent employment for unskilled people in these parts of the country. I live in a rural Pennsylvania county that Trump won by 40 points and I haven't heard a single person publically defend the wall, immigration bans, etc. Many just want their communities to start growing again after 2-3 consecutive generations of decline.

These people do generally all think free trade deals are bad, and in fairness they did kill off many of our decent employers for lower skilled laborers. I don't think you are going to ever sell poorly educated Americans on the value of free trade, even if its better for them in the long run. Americans will by and large reject any solution to the problem of poverty that isn't tied to employment. This is true even within the Democratic party.

The forum also vastly over estimates the amount of political info the average person consumes. Although I find right wing media in America alarming their audience is relatively small. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out most Trump-voting teachers in red states were legit surprised by the DeVos nomination. Was education, as an issue, even mentioned more than in passing during the campaign? I honestly can't recall.
02-03-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Feels like there's at least an element of spite. Usually they are hoping someone else gets what's coming to them.

I have a theory that people are hung up on fairness issues. These issues are clear in childhood, but they don't disappear later. One kind of unfairness is if pieces of cake are handed out and someone gets a small piece. Some people feel strongly that it's not fair and everyone should get the same sized piece. Another kind of unfairness is like if you have to clean your desk to get a star. If someone gets a star without cleaning their desk, you feel cheated.

The key to all of it, and a human motivation probably as strong as anything short of hunger when you're starving, is the need for esteem and recognition. In the ancestral environment esteem meant life or death, whether you were a child or an adult. You compete for status in society because it's innate. Egalitarianism, or a caste system if you're not at the bottom, can make you feel secure, but if your confidence in it is shaken you will easily fall for a figure who promises your status will be higher than some out group. That is often a race or religion or another country, but also includes criminals and deviants, handicapped, etc.
You know what I say to that? Any white person that thinks they were handed the small slice of cake in life can go **** off. Seriously. And I say that as a 41 year old white male.
02-03-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I'll never understand why people want an authoritarian figure in charge. Not a single person alive likes a boss that is an overbearing ******* do it my way or the highway type.
Bunch of Cucks obviously. The irony of this whole process has been amazing.
02-03-2017 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Most people want to be led. They say otherwise, and they always bitch about the leaders, but their actions reveal a deep human desire to have somebody else be in charge. The illusion of freedom is desired. Actual freedom is terrifying.
Yea, I think this is the crux of it. When I moved to Florida from NJ about 10 years ago, I had a lot of problems with co-workers. It got to the point that I had to go to HR about it. The HR manager was basically like "Look, you need to understand. Most people want to be told what their job description is and nothing more."*

*The final straw for me was a co-worker refusing to acknowledge being discriminated against. I was literally sticking up for her and calling the boss out and she denied she was discriminated against. Took me a long ass time to get over that. The HR manager believed me but said there was nothing she could do if my co-worker didn't cooperate.
02-03-2017 , 01:47 AM
Troll everyone by saying Bowling Green Massacre #AlternativeFacts on your Facebook page. See what happens lol.

      
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