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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-24-2017 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Kushner's statement is pretty good and the lawyer who wrote it deserves her $900/hr. It does a great job of not making the kind of categorical statements that will sink Trump and others while also providing context to various pieces of information that have leaked out. I think Kushner is dirty in many ways, and in way over his head and over-tasked such that he is incapable of actually doing anything effective, but they're not going to nail him on anything based on the statement.
+1. Some attorney is poppin champagne somewhere. Definitely a well-crafted statement
07-24-2017 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Kushner's statement is pretty good and the lawyer who wrote it deserves her $900/hr. It does a great job of not making the kind of categorical statements that will sink Trump and others while also providing context to various pieces of information that have leaked out. I think Kushner is dirty in many ways, and in way over his head and over-tasked such that he is incapable of actually doing anything effective, but they're not going to nail him on anything based on the statement.
Absolutely this. Give that lawyer a raise.

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Originally Posted by Our House
Yeah, it's a good statement for July 24th 2017. By Wednesday, it will be chock full of false statements and massive omissions (which only count under oath IIRC).

Team Trump statements go obsolete so much faster than any conceivable electronic device.
....But also this.
07-24-2017 , 09:10 AM
Just a reminder that Kushner isn't even meeting with the Congresspeople on the Committee. Some Senators will be there, but the interview is being conducted by staffers.
07-24-2017 , 09:45 AM


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67610332528641
07-24-2017 , 09:47 AM
I wonder if Kushner sent the email to his assistant asking for a phone call to get out of meeting because it might have dawned upon him that it was a bad idea to be in the meeting. He has studied law
07-24-2017 , 09:49 AM
jefferson beleaguered sessions!
07-24-2017 , 09:56 AM
i really hate this **** more than words can describe
07-24-2017 , 09:58 AM
Sleazy? He's running out of adjectives.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...73486506385409
07-24-2017 , 10:02 AM
america is a ****ing joke

our sitting president incoherently rage tweets like a 12 year old on a daily basis, and congressmen think that's fine
07-24-2017 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Sleazy? He's running out of adjectives.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...73486506385409
This is absolutely an anti-Semitic dogwhistle btw, but no one will really say it.
07-24-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
I wonder if Kushner sent the email to his assistant asking for a phone call to get out of meeting because it might have dawned upon him that it was a bad idea to be in the meeting. He has studied law
I wonder if he took the "Hillary Clinton" folder that 3 participants of the meeting referred to, which was actually "kompromat material and detailed instructions of what Russia wants done" with him to bring to candidate Trump when he ran out early.

He 100% knew what to expect going in. Even if the meeting was baited & switched to be about something else, it's beyond improbable the caliber of Russians attending would have "switched" to something uninteresting causing the top top people on Trump's campaign to leave uninformed and empty handed without telling Trump of this shocking experience and without following up in other phone calls, emails, or meetings to find out WTF just happened.
07-24-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Sleazy? He's running out of adjectives.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...73486506385409
2nd or 3rd statement in the last week about things happening ("all the time") on the television he tweeted a week ago that he doesn't ever have time to watch.
07-24-2017 , 10:10 AM
Rudy being floated to replace Sessions as AG. Amazing even if it goes nowhere.

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-trum...464579234.html
07-24-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I am in trump country California and while it's true that a lot of the Donald's support is from racists etc there are some decent people here I am friends with who voted trump. I don't bootlick them I'll tell them I don't like trump and didn't vote for him but I don't necessarily think that makes them horrible people, just ill informed and not that "book smart".

I think nationwide the smartest thing the republicans did was link democrats to "welfare fraud etc".
Yes the political masterstroke of blaming it on the mooching Negro. **** off.

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I think that narrative is Horse**** but a lot of people where I live see a very poor return on their state and federal tax monies and start to believe in the welfare mooch boogeyman trump and republicans peddle.
In case anyone was confused by the beginning of this post, Jules is now straight up explaining his personal weird hobbyhorse and projecting it onto other people.

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Somehow they miss that a huge amount of their federal taxes go to the precious military but that propaganda has an especially strong hold in rural areas where there are more veterans and more children of veterans (per capita)
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Relevant early Jules posts
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I'm glad I turned in my D card before Trump derangement syndrome debuted, because it is pathetic and im glad not to be associated with it.

For clarification I thought Obama derangement syndrome was equally pathetic, so save your response post
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Originally Posted by Jules22
Don't hold your breath, I just don't ascribe to the prevailing narrative that trump is the robot devil and Hilary and the dems are god and Jesus rolled into one. They both suck, and that's not an endorsement to vote republican. Not sure what else to be but contrarian when everything about our government and political parties is utterly terrible? For now I've settled in borderline anarchist, which is probably a statement on my privilege or something but W/E
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I have paid a lot of federal income taxes, just like a lot of you, and I feel like I have gotten basically nothing back. Interstate highways I guess before someone asks what about the roadzzzzzzz
LOL no **** you're in your feelings about people saying mean **** about Trump supporters, you get in your feelings when people say mean stuff about TRUMP! For Christ's sake how are you people so ****ing bad at this ****.

Last edited by FlyWf; 07-24-2017 at 10:16 AM.
07-24-2017 , 10:13 AM
Our house: Its weird that he for some reason was craving to get out of the meeting and sent that email to his assistant.
07-24-2017 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
This is absolutely an anti-Semitic dogwhistle btw, but no one will really say it.
I'm missing this...explain?
07-24-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by True North
Rudy being floated to replace Sessions as AG. Amazing even if it goes nowhere.

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-trum...464579234.html
I'm not claiming Trump is the 4D chessmaster but so far over his entire political career, he's proven himself very adept at maintaining the devotion of the deplorables.

So I'll wonder aloud for like the 3rd or 4th time in a week that of all the Trump moves -- this kind of stuff is perplexing and portends to be the most damaging. He just hired Scaramucci over Bannon's objections. He's gonna fire go-to-white-supremacist-legal-folk-hero Jeff Beauregard Sessions and replace with Rudy Giuliani. How much patience does he think the deplorables have for an administration made up of just his family and a bunch of his New York buddies?
07-24-2017 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
i really hate this **** more than words can describe
I'm so incredibly sick and overtired at Rs and spoxes on TV getting away with claiming full Russia transparency about Trump and everyone else around him, while the hosts barely push back. The other one they (especially CNN) suck at is Trump not accepting the Russian election interference.

"It could be argued that they weren't transparent."

"The intellegence community is in full agreement that Russia interfered..."

GTFOOH pahlease! You guys need to start treating this ridiculousness similar to how we deal with evolution. It is FACT, and only a complete idiot would disagree with the mountain of evidence. The only reason to argue otherwise is to push a false narrative to (forward a nefarious agenda, cover up a there that's there) suit the POTUS's needs and not the peoples'.
07-24-2017 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I'm missing this...explain?
I don't know whether it was or wasn't an anti-Semitic dogwhistle but it plays into the moneyed/corrupt anti-Semitic trope. It certainly raised my eyebrows when I saw it, especially as Schiff comes across extremely unsleazy.
07-24-2017 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I'm not claiming Trump is the 4D chessmaster but so far over his entire political career, he's proven himself very adept at maintaining the devotion of the deplorables.

So I'll wonder aloud for like the 3rd or 4th time in a week that of all the Trump moves -- this kind of stuff is perplexing and portends to be the most damaging. He just hired Scaramucci over Bannon's objections. He's gonna fire go-to-white-supremacist-legal-folk-hero Jeff Beauregard Sessions and replace with Rudy Giuliani. How much patience does he think the deplorables have for an administration made up of just his family and a bunch of his New York buddies?
Always hard to predict the future but if Scaramucci is auditioning for Chief of Staff, they sideline Priebus and Bannon or get rid of them entirely, and Giuliani replaces Sessions -- seems like it's basically the scenario Frum predicted:

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Despite the hand-wringing, the country has in many ways changed much less than some feared or hoped four years ago. Ambitious Republican plans notwithstanding, the American social-welfare system, as most people encounter it, has remained largely intact during Trump’s first term. The predicted wave of mass deportations of illegal immigrants never materialized. A large illegal workforce remains in the country, with the tacit understanding that so long as these immigrants avoid politics, keeping their heads down and their mouths shut, nobody will look very hard for them.

African Americans, young people, and the recently naturalized encounter increasing difficulties casting a vote in most states. But for all the talk of the rollback of rights, corporate America still seeks diversity in employment. Same-sex marriage remains the law of the land. Americans are no more and no less likely to say “Merry Christmas” than they were before Trump took office.
Or as 538 put it:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...o-impeachment/

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This is Frum’s scenario. To recap, it involves Trump becoming more of a true populist, remaining hard-line on immigration and trade but calling for significant infrastructure and social welfare spending. His new direction earns plaudits from the media, which is eager to tell a “pivot” story, and is genuinely popular with independents and Rust Belt Democrats. At the same time, Trump continues to erode the rule of law by using strong-arm tactics with the media, the judiciary and private business, and he collaborates with Republicans to restrict voting rights. Trump’s presidency is fairly successful as far as it goes, but he moves the country in the direction of being an illiberal democracy.
Authoritarianism but with a more non-partisan, business friendly veneer. Bannon and Sessions might be a little too much for the finance crowd but Rudy's authoritarian streak should play fine.

Last edited by DVaut1; 07-24-2017 at 10:37 AM.
07-24-2017 , 10:30 AM
"Collusion" with "Russia." So "sick."
07-24-2017 , 10:30 AM
What are the chances that Kushner decided that their discussion were unethical/illegal and knew he had to get out of there? Basically throwing Don Jr under the bus.
07-24-2017 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
What are the chances that Kushner decided that their discussion were unethical/illegal and knew he had to get out of there? Basically throwing Don Jr under the bus.
jared better hope there are no "tapes"
07-24-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
What are the chances that Kushner decided that their discussion were unethical/illegal and knew he had to get out of there? Basically throwing Don Jr under the bus.
I find it odd that he would crave to get out of the meeting so much that he asked for a phone call to excuse himself when they were receiving dirt on clinton. The guy has studied law and is doing international business so it is likely that he can navigate legal environments to his advantage. He likely welcomes the collution i would think but he might have tried to push the bulk of the dirty work over on others whenever possible. But who knows, maybe there was other reasons for him to leave.
07-24-2017 , 10:42 AM
So apparently Trump's statement that he doubts it couldn't have been Russia because if it was there would be no evidence because Russia that good..............comes from Putin telling Trump that Russia couldn't have done it because Russia wouldn't have gotten caught.

      
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