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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-02-2017 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
The point is not to convince die hards that Trump sucks.
I'm not against any broadcasting of Trump ****ing up, but what's going to happen? Lindsey Graham will rescue us?

The GOP will dump Trump when his popularity goes to hell. Who knows what will cause that? Or if anything ever will ?
02-02-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Xander
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...170202_33.aspx

Lifting sanctions relating to certain transactions with the FSB. Incredible.
meanwhile, in USSR 2.0 ...

02-02-2017 , 01:30 PM
Didn't golden shower dossier guy get whacked too?
02-02-2017 , 01:30 PM
Trump's domestic policy is stellar when compared to his foreign policy.
02-02-2017 , 01:34 PM
Spicer gonna keep it short. Wonder why. Will there be time for a skype question from JimBob in rural Mississippi?
02-02-2017 , 01:38 PM
The Johnson Amendment is a provision in the U.S. tax code which prohibits all 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations from endorsing or opposing political candidates.

(trump looking to nix it per spicer briefing)
02-02-2017 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I'm not against any broadcasting of Trump ****ing up, but what's going to happen? Lindsey Graham will rescue us?

The GOP will dump Trump when his popularity goes to hell. Who knows what will cause that? Or if anything ever will ?


Agreed. And the take from my conservative / moderate FB friends was not about how the soldier got killed, or that an 8 year old girl died. Instead, they were proud that Trump took time out of his busy schedule to go meet the body at Dover AFB. Actual quote, "I don't agree with everthing he does, but at least he respects the troops."

MAYBE it's possible to break up that narrative if you could show that a particular mission was really botched, but it seems like a big lift.
02-02-2017 , 01:39 PM
John quotes. Yeah, sure. lol
02-02-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I'm not against any broadcasting of Trump ****ing up, but what's going to happen? Lindsey Graham will rescue us?

The GOP will dump Trump when his popularity goes to hell. Who knows what will cause that?
My post on the last page to Trolly is pretty much the summary of my thoughts on this.

The value in pressing your message doesn't go away because the other side controls the Hill. Trump's popularity is low as ****. That means that the number of people that are willing to internalize the narratives pushed by Dems is high. How exactly that manifests down the road isn't easy to predict, but that's not a reason not to push your narrative.
02-02-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
How is it that a part time poster on a random pointless subforum of an online message board has a infinitely better grasp of political optics than a party machine that spends billions of dollars on that exact thing? There must be something I'm missing I just don't get it.
Political parties reward loyalty over competence. And the billions of dollars things has the disadvantage that you depend on a millionare that can easily have sub optimal political nous. You would be surprised at how clueless people with important positions are.
02-02-2017 , 01:41 PM
Sean Spicer can sure spin bull****.

I'd love to compare Spicer's summary of what Trump said at the Prayer Breakfast to what Trump actually said.
02-02-2017 , 01:42 PM
2p2 should request a skype seat
02-02-2017 , 01:43 PM
These questions are weak sauce.
02-02-2017 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Ugh. You are approaching the game wrong. It's not about a "war of unsupported" claims, it's about pushing your narrative.

The right doesn't simply succeed by throwing unsupported claims around in a vacuum and hoping they will overwhelm the listener. They push claims that feed into pre-existing narratives that the base agrees with. It takes advantage of confirmation bias and makes the need for fact-checking less relevant -- if one story turns out to be untrue or less true than it initially appeared, the base does not care because they still believe the overarching narrative. Maybe the most significant political lesson from Trump's campaign was just how powerful this concept is.

You can see this on the liberal side, too. The dominant narrative on the left right now is that Trump has authoritarian tendencies. If someone points out that Trump action X has a parallel in Obama action Y, does the narrative fall apart? Of course not - Obama was not an authoritarian and Trump is. I am not trying to point out liberal hypocrisy here, although of course it exists to a degree. I am just pointing out how these individual incidents get batched together into a broader political message whether or not they fit neatly into that message.

The narrative we're talking about re: this botched raid is "Trump is incompetent." There's tons of debate to be had about the extent to which that applies to this particular incident, but missing the opportunity to push that narrative because we can't 100% verify it is a political error, through and through.
This
02-02-2017 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
These questions are weak sauce.
Spencer going to get chastised for acknowledging there is a line between religious freedom and discrimination.
02-02-2017 , 01:44 PM
Spicer vaguely advocating shop owners not serving LBGT.

EDIT: Okay, now it's not so vague
02-02-2017 , 01:47 PM
Alright after ****ting on her yesterday, I'll give credit to Pelosi for straight up calling Bannon a white supremacist.
02-02-2017 , 01:47 PM
Gotta protect the border to stop homegrown terrorists. That was seriously his answer.
02-02-2017 , 01:50 PM
EXTREEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEE VETTTTTTTTTTIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGG
02-02-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
The point is not to convince die hards that Trump sucks.
Yeah, Trumpkins are not ever leaving him. They would follow into the pits of hell - who cares? They are not the intended recipients of the message, just like most on this board are not intended recipients of the R message. Lost cause. We need to think about the broader population.

We cant have simultaneous narratives of omg HRC such a bad candidate/campaign and also Trump is beloved by all, nothing we can do about it. There are a lot of ppl who took the overwhelming amount of negativity in the election as a sign that the system was just broken and voted for the outsider.

Right now these people are likely somewhere in the range of "omg what have I done" to "it's really early and I want to give him a chance" to "well he may make some rookie mistakes, but he is certainly tough" etc etc. The idea is to get through to them, and the way you do that is going to vary from person to person. For some (many) of this group, military incompetence is a big deal.
02-02-2017 , 01:51 PM
Did he just say "We aren't a threat to the US"? lol
02-02-2017 , 01:52 PM
That Russia answer sounded like a 100% lie.
02-02-2017 , 01:54 PM
Man Spicer knows that this strike went to **** and his blame-shifting desperately

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Originally Posted by dth123451
That Russia answer sounded like a 100% lie.
Clearly. The whole treasury thing stunk of ****.
02-02-2017 , 01:58 PM
Lol 27 minute briefing
02-02-2017 , 01:58 PM
Trump passing the buck to Obama on the military mission. WEAK leader!

      
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