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07-20-2017 , 12:01 PM
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He could replace Sessions with another white supremacist though. Not really sure what the legal side of the white supremacist bench looks like, but there's probably somebody. This guy's a lawyer!
Good point. But I'm not confident Trump understands what Sessions does for him. He just knew Sessions was an early supporter but may not appreciate that some part of the alt-right's ultimate devotion is with Sessions and the project of Making America White Again, not Trump personally. I agree some other committed white supremacist would help win those people back, but I suspect Trump would just consult his Fox pundit rolodex and arrive on Mark Levin or that Jay Sekulow guy who runs that grift charity.

So I think you're correct he could find someone else who is a replacement-level committed white supremacist but he'd probably just do something inane and lazy.
07-20-2017 , 12:01 PM
Trump will try to replace him with Giuliani. Maybe Barron gets the cybers job.
07-20-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Their one dilemma is they don't completely know what's been learned.
I hope Mueller is making IT security a priority.

Sessions may get fired, but he ain't quitting. He left the Senate to take this job and the opportunity to lock up hundreds of thousands of black people.
07-20-2017 , 12:08 PM
The bottom line is that Trump needs the support of a compliant AG if he decides to fire Mueller.

Firing Mueller would be a desperation move, as Nixon's firing of Archibald Cox was. But if the alternative is bad enough, then Trump may decide that a desperation move is his best play.

And if Trump is forced into that sort of desperation move, he definitely wants a compliant AG who will publicly support the firing. Sessions can't do that because he recused himself, and that's why, from Trump's perspective, Sessions has to go.
07-20-2017 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Trump will try to replace him with Giuliani. Maybe Barron gets the cybers job.
Or Christie. Someone like that is far more likely. Trump ain't gonna go for an ideologue, he now thinks that position is supposed to be filled with a lackey who will never cross him. Which as I said is going to lead him to some Fox n Friend type candidate or one of the lawyers already in his orbit. And I bet that causes a lot of problems for him. Christie and Giuliani or some of his buddies aren't going to win him the devotion of the truly deplorable who think Sessions is deeply committed to the project, and think Christie/Giuliani types are fakers. But he can't shed many more deplorables and still maintain political viability and they're already growing quietly alarmed Trump and his family and friends are just dicking around all day not building the wall, not deporting people, etc.
07-20-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
I hope Mueller is making IT security a priority.

Sessions may get fired, but he ain't quitting. He left the Senate to take this job and the opportunity to lock up hundreds of thousands of black people.
The more I think about it, the more certain I am that Trump wants Sessions to quit. If Sessions quits, Trump will be spared the fallout of firing him. If Sessions wants to make life hard for Trump, then he will force Trump to fire him, thus triggering some of the fallout that DVaut has alluded to.
07-20-2017 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Outside of the McCain well wishes, Trump hasn't tweeted in over 27 hours. Strange.
He's trying to avoid stepping on his own NYT news. That was obviously pointed loud and clear towards non-Trumpists and away from the discovery of that vile & disgusting Americanless 2nd Putin meeting.
07-20-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Or Christie. Someone like that is far more likely. Trump ain't gonna go for an ideologue, he now thinks that position is supposed to be filled with a lackey who will never cross him. Which as I said is going to lead him to some Fox n Friend type candidate or one of the lawyers already in his orbit. And I bet that causes a lot of problems for him. Christie and Giuliani or some of his buddies aren't going to win him the devotion of the truly deplorable who think Sessions is deeply committed to the project, and think Christie/Giuliani types are fakers. But he can't shed many more deplorables and still maintain political viability and they're already growing quietly alarmed Trump and his family and friends are just dicking around all day not building the wall, not deporting people, etc.
Christie would be a terrible choice imo. He is not a reliable enough ally for Trump's purposes. Even as AG, he would throw Trump to the wolves if he thought it would be in his self-interest to do so.
07-20-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
He could replace Sessions with another white supremacist though. Not really sure what the legal side of the white supremacist bench looks like, but there's probably somebody. This guy's a lawyer!
It's hard to find someone who has his Neo-Confederate cred. The man is named after three Confederate generals and was personally criticized by Coretta Scott King for voter suppression!
07-20-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm not sure people appreciate how extraordinary it is for Trump to be making these sorts of comments about a sitting AG that he selected just a few months ago.

Sessions is a lot of things, but devoted to Trump on a personal level is probably not one of them. One way or the other, I doubt Sessions will be the AG six months from now.
The way I read this is as a semi-bluff move by Trump. What Trump actually wants is for his Attorney General to fire Mueller, but he realizes Sessions won't do the dirty work for him. So the "solution" is to goad Sessions into resigning and then he nominates a new AG who (he hopes) will fire Mueller. Of course, Trump is delusional if he thinks he can get away with his version of the Saturday Night Massacre.

I suspect at some point we're going to have a constitutional crisis. If Donald Trump and his family members are involved in criminal activity, Mueller will surely uncover it, (i.e. "Just follow the money!"), and lower-level folks will start getting indicted and/or prosecuted. Trump can't let that happen so, in his mind, Mueller must be circumvented. When Trump fires Mueller, we'll find out if we're a nation of laws - or a nation of men.
07-20-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
The bottom line is that Trump needs the support of a compliant AG if he decides to fire Mueller.

Firing Mueller would be a desperation move, as Nixon's firing of Archibald Cox was. But if the alternative is bad enough, then Trump may decide that a desperation move is his best play.

And if Trump is forced into that sort of desperation move, he definitely wants a compliant AG who will publicly support the firing. Sessions can't do that because he recused himself, and that's why, from Trump's perspective, Sessions has to go.
Which is why I posted that revised theory saying it feels like Trump already approached Sessions (and possibly Rosenstein) about firing Mueller after he met with Putin.
07-20-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It's hard to find someone who has his Neo-Confederate cred. The man is named after three Confederate generals and was personally criticized by Coretta Scott King for voter suppression!
Roy Moore ftw.
07-20-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Which is why I posted that revised theory saying it feels like Trump already approached Sessions (and possibly Rosenstein) about firing Mueller after he met with Putin.
0% chance that Rosenstein would support the firing of Mueller. Doing so would make him look ridiculous.
07-20-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
0% chance that Rosenstein would support the firing of Mueller. Doing so would make him look ridiculous.
Plus he's from Baltimore, and you know what that means.
07-20-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Do you guys think this is actually mueller straight calling the bluff from trump about firing him if he went into his finances? The timing of this is elite, and i really hope mueller team is behind it
07-20-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
We already knew this because Trump raged about Mueller looking at his finances in the NYT interview.

Dude has the best tells.
07-20-2017 , 01:10 PM
The Saturday Night Massacre did not directly bring Nixon down, he remained in office for a year. With Democrats in control of Congress.

Today is the 6 month anniversary of Trump's inauguration. Only 87% of his term left to complete!
07-20-2017 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Former DJ
I suspect at some point we're going to have a constitutional crisis. If Donald Trump and his family members are involved in criminal activity, Mueller will surely uncover it, (i.e. "Just follow the money!"), and lower-level folks will start getting indicted and/or prosecuted.
There's a perverse part of me that really wants to see how something like this would play out. Especially if Trump starts throwing around pardons for all of his family/associates/etc.

For extra perverse-ness, I wonder how it plays out if this drags out to say December 2020 and Trump loses. What does he have to lose by just going pardon-happy?
07-20-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
The 2018 election is 16 months away. There is no way, even if every other check and balance fails, that Trump fires Mueller, doesn't get impeached, and gop retains majority. It is more likely it ceases to be a party.

Trump's not going to lose in a coup or from street protests, his support will continue to evaporate and he or his protectors will lose a big election. If gop continues to protect him when he is at 30% it will make the 1976 election look quaint.
This is wrong atm; all the polls (if you trust them anyway) say trump supporters and R's gonna turn out in 18 and D voters aren't.

btw, this trump sessions spat is fake news and you're all falling for it again.
07-20-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Trump could get primaried.
I'd bet a lot against this.
07-20-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
This is wrong atm; all the polls (if you trust them anyway) say trump supporters and R's gonna turn out in 18 and D voters aren't.

btw, this trump sessions spat is fake news and you're all falling for it again.
Don't say that. I've repeatedly posted that the important news was discovering the 2nd Putin meeting the night before last.
07-20-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Nope. I'm very informed. In fact, too informed. Just ask the regulars here who see what's actually going on in Congress and the White House.

If you're making claims like 2% of the country watches Fox, you're the one with your head in the sand.

Trump is heavily compromised. A bunch of GOP including leadership is compromised. And they literally just got rid of the top cybersecurity guy in the government (for some dumb reason), along with the last oversight department on all voting security (because it's "redundant"). Everything is being routed through Trump's new fraudulent fraud commission. On top of that there's a new world wide cybersecurity commission set to take over our own (because the joint task force with only Russia met too much resistance). Social media is a complete mess of bots and trolls designed to steer Americans against Trump's enemies and every single person I talk to IRL says they don't know where to turn or who to believe about our government anymore. Oh yeah, let's surrender Syria to Putin and return those spy compounds right away.

Entire agencies are being defunded or forced to resign. Top scientists, doctors, ethics overseers, etc. GONE and Trump loyalists are coming to the rescue.

These are horrific signs after a 6 month Republican rule. Just because the streets aren't filled with bears on unicycles, doesn't mean that Russian infiltration is non-existent. Trump doesn't even need to be smart, just compromised enough to fear the blackmail.

If you want me to post less, I can. Just know that it's a loss of good information for anybody reading (which is what we need most right now) to satisfy your own selfish needs.

EDIT: Sinclair Broadcasting being much more Russian propagandist than Fox has taken over almost 200 local TV channels on top of all the bots and trolls. These people aren't ****ing around.
He screwed up his fraud so badly it ended up being honest.
07-20-2017 , 01:56 PM
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...79212938231808

Deeply sick AND deeply concerned.
07-20-2017 , 02:05 PM
"sick"
07-20-2017 , 02:07 PM
Since we have an AG who plays too much by the rules, maybe he can start going after criminals like this:

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/s...78315457826816

      
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