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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-20-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Random thought:

How pissed is Paul Manafort that Trump actually won? Like if Trump loses, all of Manafort's past dealings and time on the Trump campaign never comes under fire or under investigation. He just gets to pocket his tens of Millions in consulting fees and move on with his life.
I'm pretty sure everyone involved with the campaign was just in for the easy grifting and actually winning is a huge pain in the ass they wanted nothing to do with.
07-20-2017 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Talking like it will be NBD if he fires Mueller is a self-fulfilling prophecy. That would be a huge ****ing deal and cause to march on Washington, and it should be discussed as such. Like democracy in this country would be legit over if he can do that with no reprecussions. Not einbert over, but really over. Rule of law would not apply to him. The next step is President for Life.
this, which is why i have so much contempt for clovis' defeatist trope, and this isn't the first time i've ranted about this.

like bro, you don't sound smart/woke and you're not doing anything productive. so just shut the **** up already, it's almost like he's trying in some small part to poison the resistance effort.
07-20-2017 , 11:05 AM
Big if true

Has Trump Lost Drudge? 'Heads Will Roll,' Conservative Warns

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-lost...162427182.html

Matt Drudge, the man behind influential right-wing website The Drudge Report, seemed to issue a stern warning Wednesday to the White House on Twitter.
"Heads Will Roll..." Drudge wrote ominously in a post accompanied by a picture detailing the president's falling approval rating as measured by Rasmussen Reports, a company that is often seen as right-leaning and has typically put out better results for the president, compared with other surveys. The latest figure from Rasmussen had Trump at just 42 percent approval, tied for his all-time low in its daily tracker.
Drudge, of course, could be hinting that the president will fire someone or several people in the White House. It seems every prominent Trump aide has been rumored to be nearly on his or her way out at one point or another—perhaps most notable among them White House press secretary Sean Spicer and Chief of Staff Reince Priebus.
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Drudge, however, has been a prominent Trump supporter for a while. He reportedly even met with the president in the Oval Office during Trump's first 100 days in office. His Drudge Report, where he is the founder and editor, is a prominent right-wing site that links out to stories from around the web, usually attaching a snappy headline to the link. It can direct thousands of eyeballs to news that either helps or hurts the president.
So it made headlines when the website last week featured explosive reports detailing Donald Trump Jr.'s emails that set up a June 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer, with the goal of obtaining dirt on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. A link to an article on Trump Jr. was featured at the top of the site, accompanied by the headline "THE EMAIL" and a photo of Saint Basil's Cathedral in Moscow. It left many observers wondering if the president had lost the support of one of the conservative.
07-20-2017 , 11:06 AM
His WAAF attitude seems weird considering we had a multi-page blowout about plain jane racism vs white supremacy and how it is causing us to lose all hope wrt Trump or something something.
07-20-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Even if the Dems win congress, who knows whether these milquetoast clowns will even have the stones to impeach.
This mid term victory clearly shows the american people are fed up with partisan politics. As majority leader I look forward with working with senator mcconnell to draft a bipartisan bill to make the removal of the obamacare taxes work for the american people.
07-20-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Aren't these guys like 1 for 10 in the courts on election suppression stuff? Our House you need to get a ventilator and another sheet of plastic for your mattress. The election commission is going nowhere and doing nothing. Yes, in theory, Trump can align with Putin and the whole military could go along with him, and cede control of the country to the Russians. Im tired spending time dealing with dumb stuff. Our house, you need to post less and read more books and articles, maybe pick up a skill. It seems like you're always missing important information.
Nope. I'm very informed. In fact, too informed. Just ask the regulars here who see what's actually going on in Congress and the White House.

If you're making claims like 2% of the country watches Fox, you're the one with your head in the sand.

Trump is heavily compromised. A bunch of GOP including leadership is compromised. And they literally just got rid of the top cybersecurity guy in the government (for some dumb reason), along with the last oversight department on all voting security (because it's "redundant"). Everything is being routed through Trump's new fraudulent fraud commission. On top of that there's a new world wide cybersecurity commission set to take over our own (because the joint task force with only Russia met too much resistance). Social media is a complete mess of bots and trolls designed to steer Americans against Trump's enemies and every single person I talk to IRL says they don't know where to turn or who to believe about our government anymore. Oh yeah, let's surrender Syria to Putin and return those spy compounds right away.

Entire agencies are being defunded or forced to resign. Top scientists, doctors, ethics overseers, etc. GONE and Trump loyalists are coming to the rescue.

These are horrific signs after a 6 month Republican rule. Just because the streets aren't filled with bears on unicycles, doesn't mean that Russian infiltration is non-existent. Trump doesn't even need to be smart, just compromised enough to fear the blackmail.

If you want me to post less, I can. Just know that it's a loss of good information for anybody reading (which is what we need most right now) to satisfy your own selfish needs.

EDIT: Sinclair Broadcasting being much more Russian propagandist than Fox has taken over almost 200 local TV channels on top of all the bots and trolls. These people aren't ****ing around.

Last edited by Our House; 07-20-2017 at 11:17 AM.
07-20-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Taking Trump at his word, he would definitely fire Mueller, but Mueller could show that Russia had sunk its teeth deeper than just a one off meeting with dirt on Hillary
Excerpts From The Times’s Interview With Trump
SCHMIDT: Last thing, if Mueller was looking at your finances and your family finances, unrelated to Russia — is that a red line?

HABERMAN: Would that be a breach of what his actual charge is?

TRUMP: I would say yeah. I would say yes. By the way, I would say, I don’t — I don’t — I mean, it’s possible there’s a condo or something, so, you know, I sell a lot of condo units, and somebody from Russia buys a condo, who knows
07-20-2017 , 11:13 AM
who knows
who knows
who knows
who knows
who knows
07-20-2017 , 11:19 AM
lol'd @ streets being filled with bears on unicycles, that was pretty good
07-20-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
who knows
who knows
who knows
who knows
who knows
Could be other countries or a 400lb adopted guy in a room that bought all the properties under Russian shell companies. Nobody knows.

(Yet)
07-20-2017 , 11:28 AM
Looking around on alt right Twitter, you could see some dismay about Trump's comments about Sessions. Ironically enough, Trump probably has more political cover to fire Mueller than Sessions. Firing Mueller would just turn into a partisan firing squad where everyone decamps. Firing Sessions will upset the aggressively racist base of voters he needs to maintain his political standing.
07-20-2017 , 11:31 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...04239301193728
07-20-2017 , 11:32 AM
He's not getting re-elected without Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III's voter suppression team. Would be crazy to fire him.
07-20-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
Big if true

Has Trump Lost Drudge? 'Heads Will Roll,' Conservative Warns

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-lost...162427182.html

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It's not just Drudge that may be turning on Trump ... A day or two ago the Wall Street Journal editorial board posted an opinion piece entitled: "The Trumps and the Truth" which was scathing in its condemnation of the Trump team. The article "advised" Trump to come clean and adopt a policy of full and complete transparency as the only possible way to save his Presidency. Barring a shift to total and complete transparency, the editorial board opined that a Democratic takeover of the House in 2018 was a virtual certainty. This is paraphrasing, but the article lamented that the Republican agenda is basically screwed - and a tremendous opportunity squandered - if Trump doesn't get his head out of his a** and quit obsessing over Mueller and the "Russia" crap. (The article concluded by stating that they don't expect Trump to take their advice ...)

Later that night, on MSNBC, David Frum pointed out that he had served on the WSJ's editorial board back in the 1990's. Frum noted that the Journal is very different now from what it was back in the 1990's - mainly due to the fact that the Journal is now owned by Rupert Murdoch. He then went on to note that an opinion piece entitled "The Trumps and the Truth" very likely would not have been printed without the implicit/explicit knowledge and approval of Mr. Murdoch. So, if this supposition is true, it appears that the super rich 1 percent may be getting fed up with The Donald. (I suppose it's possible the super rich see their possibility of benefitting from huge tax cuts drowning in the morass of Trump and his mess, so it's time for Trump to go ...)

Last edited by Former DJ; 07-20-2017 at 11:54 AM.
07-20-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Mueller not fazed by your pompous threats or your murderous comrade, *******. He's obviously got backups.

Your move.
07-20-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
He's not getting re-elected without Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III's voter suppression team. Would be crazy to fire him.
I don't know about voter suppression but take a look at Breitbart comments or Twitter. Obviously some are still Daddy Knows Best and is playing 4th dimensional chess with little Jeffrey who got out line, blah blah. Maybe even a majority are like this.

But SOME of them are either dismayed he's fighting with his own people or they see Sessions as an extension of Bannon, or see them both as the White Christian Protectorate wing of the White House protecting Trump from his dumb kids, or are hardcore southern neo Confederates and are suspicious of the Kushner/Cohn types (e.g., Jews) and think Trump's betraying a nice Southern Christian gentleman.

Trump needs undivided deplorable devotion and it's pretty clear the Sessions and Bannon types are protecting him on his right/super racist flank and without those guys, it's just Trump and his family ****ing around. Don't think he can rid himself of JBS3.

tl;dr summary: Sessions gives Trump a bunch of institutional and hardcore racist Western Civilization Warrior ideologue credibility and it's hard to see how he can afford to lose him and keep his 40%
07-20-2017 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Former DJ
It's not just Drudge that may be turning on Trump ... A day or two ago the Wall Street Journal editorial board posted an opinion piece entitled: "The Trumps and the Truth" which was scathing in its condemnation of the Trump team. The article "advised" Trump to come clean and adopt a policy of full and complete transparency as the only possible way to save his Presidency.
At various points during the campaign going back to the primaries, Trump lost the WSJ editorial board and lots of other right-wing media titans. He's eventually been able to win them back into at least compliance. His problem now is that Hillary Clinton is fast fading memory, Democrats are feckless and irrelevant and so he's running out of enemies to distract with and the GOP is inept so he's not delivering anything back to all these people who keep coming back into the fold and kissing his ring. So some of the grumbling is expected.
07-20-2017 , 11:53 AM
Trump could get primaried.
07-20-2017 , 11:53 AM
I'm not sure people appreciate how extraordinary it is for Trump to be making these sorts of comments about a sitting AG that he selected just a few months ago.

Sessions is a lot of things, but devoted to Trump on a personal level is probably not one of them. One way or the other, I doubt Sessions will be the AG six months from now.
07-20-2017 , 11:55 AM
It's all coming together.

US-Russia talks on joint cyber working group are on.
07-20-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm not sure people appreciate how extraordinary it is for Trump to be making these sorts of comments about a sitting AG that he selected just a few months ago.

Sessions is a lot of things, but devoted to Trump on a personal level is probably not one of them. One way or the other, I doubt Sessions will be the AG six months from now.
Extraordinary/unprescedented things have been happening in a near-daily basis for months. We're kind of numb.
07-20-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I don't know about voter suppression but take a look at Breitbart comments or Twitter. Obviously some are still Daddy Knows Best and is playing 4th dimensional chess with little Jeffrey who got out line, blah blah. Maybe even a majority are like this.

But SOME of them are either dismayed he's fighting with his own people or they see Sessions as an extension of Bannon, or see them both as the White Christian Protectorate wing of the White House protecting Trump from his dumb kids, or are hardcore southern neo Confederates and are suspicious of the Kushner/Cohn types (e.g., Jews) and think Trump's betraying a nice Southern Christian gentleman.

Trump needs undivided deplorable devotion and it's pretty clear the Sessions and Bannon types are protecting him on his right/super racist flank and without those guys, it's just Trump and his family ****ing around. Don't think he can rid himself of JBS3.

tl;dr summary: Sessions gives Trump a bunch of institutional and hardcore racist Western Civilization Warrior ideologue credibility and it's hard to see how he can afford to lose him and keep his 40%
He could replace Sessions with another white supremacist though. Not really sure what the legal side of the white supremacist bench looks like, but there's probably somebody. This guy's a lawyer!
07-20-2017 , 12:01 PM
Outside of the McCain well wishes, Trump hasn't tweeted in over 27 hours. Strange.
07-20-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
At various points during the campaign going back to the primaries, Trump lost the WSJ editorial board and lots of other right-wing media titans. He's eventually been able to win them back into at least compliance. His problem now is that Hillary Clinton is fast fading memory, Democrats are feckless and irrelevant and so he's running out of enemies to distract with and the GOP is inept so he's not delivering anything back to all these people who keep coming back into the fold and kissing his ring. So some of the grumbling is expected.
Murdoch owns most of the right wing media with the notable exceptions of Drudge and Breitbart. Trump's relationship with Murdoch, and increasingly his relationship with Drudge, is complicated. Murdoch knows Trump needs his support. And he is not above trying to influence policy by reminding Trump that his love and support is conditional.

      
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