I am not being sarcastic with this question but is there some electoral math that strongly differentiates 38% support from 30% in terms of electoral landslide?

There is somewhere. 42-44% is like tossup in semi-unfair gerrymandered election, 38% is a solid loss, maybe change of control, 30% is existential crisis. Nixon still had like 30% at resignation.

And the economy won't be getting much better and may get worse. Even Jamie Dimon is losing his **** over Trump. Kansas senators are not a firm no on healthcare because they are courageous. They just know the lay of the land.

Sill, 3 in 10 voters will support Trump, so there will always be sufficient anecdotal evidence that he's not dead, until he is.

This would be beautifully ironic tho

Here we go again. Just wait until the election and we'll show them consequences.

How will anyone stand a chance with no cyber protection, no voting oversight commission, no State election sovereignty, limited minority voting, limited poor voting, Democratic regions targeted for direct cyber and IRL attacks, more Dems than ever put in jail for longer and stripped of their voting rights, and loads of Dems being hassled after removing their names from voter lists?

None of that is fake news and all has happened since Jan 20th. The worst 3 happened just over the last two weeks. Again, and don't ask me to find month old articles, cyber experts have warned that if we don't act within months, it'll be too late to stop Russia from freely choosing our government.

But yeah, we'll VOTE them out of office!

The guy leading the investigation into voter fraud has stated we may never know who won the popular vote in 2016. I take that level of deception as an indication that we might truly not know actual winners and losers in 2020 (and possibly some 2018 races).

He already admitted he fired Comey to stop the Russia investigation! We already had our Saturday Night Massacre with no real repurcussion. Like, maybe I had a bowl of Einbert Loops for breakfast, but I'm sure you guys get how badly ****ed the country is right now.

Aren't these guys like 1 for 10 in the courts on election suppression stuff? Our House you need to get a ventilator and another sheet of plastic for your mattress. The election commission is going nowhere and doing nothing. Yes, in theory, Trump can align with Putin and the whole military could go along with him, and cede control of the country to the Russians. Im tired spending time dealing with dumb stuff. Our house, you need to post less and read more books and articles, maybe pick up a skill. It seems like you're always missing important information.

It's like a reverse glenn beck/Hannity. Like 2% of the country watches Fox. Most Trump supporters are just confused and a touch racist, not extremists. Trump gave them hope, won on a miracle play, but now it's fading. The season progresses, the team keeps losing, you realize that the early wins were a fluke, you trade the qb off your fantasy roster, and eventually the vet with the .500 lifetime record looks a lot more appealing than Jonny Manzell. You put your jersey or maga hat in the bottom drawer and move on. We finally elected Ross Perot, and it turns out he was just an idiot all along.

“About one in eight people who voted for President Donald Trump said they would not do so again after witnessing Trump’s tumultuous first six months in office,” according to a*Reuters/Ipsos poll*of 2016 voters.

“While most of the people who voted for Trump on Nov. 8 said they would back him again, the erosion of support within his winning coalition of older, disaffected, mostly white voters poses a potential challenge for the president. Trump, who won the White House with the slimmest of margins, needs every last supporter behind him to push his agenda through a divided Congress and potentially win a second term in 2020.”

https://politicalwire.com/2017/07/20...ampaign=buffer

This is heavily slanted. Go to the actual source.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1A5127



Man that base sure is evaporating. It's all going to plan.

In which a R-Idaho congresman laments Trump.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...21074771927041

Clearly Trump's all set to rule the US indefinitely, with no further elections. Just like ISIS would rule the middle east, when all along they were the JV team that took two cities, chooped off a few heads, ran some people over and now belong to the warm embrace of history.

trump has the russian cyberweapon in his back pocket. if dean heller doesn't want to play ball on healthcare, trump can send a signal to moscow and heller gets tons of **** piled on him from social media. if it looks like trump can't possibly win reelection, he's not worried because his real friends control the troll army and americans are very easily influenced, they have the weakest minds of any voters on earth

Even if the Dems win congress, who knows whether these milquetoast clowns will even have the stones to impeach. Meanwhile, Trump's got a solid 16 months to **** up this country.

Best case scenario, we still have a country full of people willing to vote for the next fascist at the drop of a hat and a feckless opposition party that's going to try to run Chelsea/Lieberman in 2020 plus the Rs have figured out how to maintain a permanent lock on the Supreme Court. The structural problems with this country don't disappear if Trump gets dethroned.

I'm kinda interested in a prop bet on this. The democrats are so ****ing incompetent that they could very easily **** it up

Trumpkins always resort back to "He is better then Hillary would have been"

At this point that is all they have. Maybe the counter argument should be he is 10x worse then Pence will be.

I'm more alarmed than simplicitus seems to be, but your take is a bit histrionic.

It's one thing to put your finger on the scale as Russia did by hacking the DNC. It's quite another to engineer the election of a deeply unpopular candidate. I'm not saying that Trump's support is anywhere near this low, but if he were down 15-20 points in the polls on the morning of the 2020 election, and ended up winning by 5 points, the shenanigans would be obvious and I think every major city in this country would be in flames.

The dystopia that you are imagining -- that is, the dystopia where elections simply don't matter and country is perpetually under the thumb of a strongman -- would require state control of the media, Stazi-level internal suppression of dissent, and a military that was so subservient to the president that it would train its guns on U.S. citizens in order to keep an illegitimately elected president in office.

That might be a world that Trump would approve of, especially if he had the reins of power, but I don't think that it's a world he can successfully create.

Personally, I am more worried about the GOP tilting the table through suppression of voting rights, etc., than I am than I am about the possibility that Trump will turn the U.S. into Stalinist Russia. The latter obviously would be much more dire than the former, but it's also a thousand times less likely.

Prop bet on what, the Democrats gaining control of Congress? That was bound to be an uphill climb no matter how bad Trump was/is.

They polled 541 Trump voters and the margin of error is 5%. I didn't post it as a proof, just to suggest that Trump's isn't exactly consolidating power. He's incompetent and failing. If your family voted for him, I'm sorry, but the US will be fine despite his terribleness because he is weak and stupid and none of the changes he makes will last, except Gorsech.

Good to see that you've come around to embracing satire.

Approval ratings under 30: maybe

Impeachment: maybe, but probably not unless it's after 2018 and dems pick up seats.

45 seat majority: no way. Dems would be lucky to barely flip the house.

Random thought:

How pissed is Paul Manafort that Trump actually won? Like if Trump loses, all of Manafort's past dealings and time on the Trump campaign never comes under fire or under investigation. He just gets to pocket his tens of Millions in consulting fees and move on with his life.

2018 elections may well be a **** show. Trumpkin voting officials all over rural America will be disenfranchising mofos. Polling places will close early. There will be intimidation. I.C.E. will set up check points nearby.

co-signed

been sick of clovis's useless, defeatist, "WAAF" predictions for a while now

like, if you're gonna be such a baby about it, then just quit like you did once already

Taking Trump at his word, he would definitely fire Mueller, but Mueller could show that Russia had sunk its teeth deeper than just a one off meeting with dirt on Hillary