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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-18-2017 , 10:02 AM



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...99895803203584
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...02632687251456
07-18-2017 , 10:12 AM
Funny that he doesn't think losing by three million votes and still being president is crazy as well.
07-18-2017 , 10:19 AM
Maybe I'm over-optimistic, but it seems like a good sign that Silverman is jumping off the Trump train. Hopefully at some point the coalition of delusional rubes will realize that President Trump isn't actually going to bring back the gold standard or build a wall or make anime real or fulfill all of the real/imagined promises that were made in 2016.
07-18-2017 , 10:23 AM
Pretty sure Nate Silver has been banging that drum hard, basically that Trump's coalition was already extremely small relative to other winning Presidential candidates; he won by razor thin margins and was predicated on tons of hard to deliver promises or impossible fantasies so reversion and atrophy in his approval rating is inevitable. He cobbled together just 46% of Americans promising everyone everything, telling everyone what they wanted to hear. In some sense his first 6 months have been buoyed by a relative good economy and few outside problems (compare to the first 6 months of the Obama administration which took place in a deep recession). His deep unpopularity and people jumping off the train shouldn't be surprising and there's still a floor way below his current standing if things go bad or if there's a Katrina type even that really highlights his incompetence.

The problem as I see it is that you have to continue to be skeptical these people won't hop right back on if there's a terrorist attack, or if Trump gets back into campaign mode of endless fantastical promises of goodies for everyone along with tawdry insults. Most of his Presidency, he's just been whiny beta Trump on Twitter or talking to Fox about how unfair the world is to him, but once he has some Democratic punching bags I suspect he'll rebuild a lot of the wayward idiots who are titillated with insults like Pocahontas or Sloppy Joe Biden or whatever.

Last edited by DVaut1; 07-18-2017 at 10:30 AM.
07-18-2017 , 10:28 AM
OTOH, given that live-action Ghost in the Shell is a thing, maybe Trump really did make anime real.
07-18-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Funny that he doesn't think losing by three million votes and still being president is crazy as well.
Letting our biggest foreign enemy choose our leaders is pretty bad too, though not everyone agrees.
07-18-2017 , 10:43 AM
Pence getting little more than polite applause from Retail Federation when saying Obamacare must go. Not enthusiastic at all.
07-18-2017 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
OTOH, given that live-action Ghost in the Shell is a thing, maybe Trump really did make anime real.
The movie wasn't all that bad.

Thought it was going to be like the Dragon Ball live action abomination.
07-18-2017 , 10:50 AM
It is kind of amazing the entire GOP opposition plan against Warren is just to call her Pocahontas.
07-18-2017 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
It is kind of amazing the entire GOP opposition plan against Warren is just to call her Pocahontas.
I've said this before, but it's telling how post-policy our politics have become that this is all they've got. Warren is allegedly a far-left crazy person who's been in office for a while. Surely they have examples of how her consumer protection agency killed jobs or how she did the Marxism on the US? All they've got are these stale fake Indian jokes. Seems like there's no downside to her staking out far-left positions, bc the Rs are never attacking her on policy.
07-18-2017 , 11:09 AM
07-18-2017 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Pence getting little more than polite applause from Retail Federation when saying Obamacare must go. Not enthusiastic at all.
It was really noticeable too.
07-18-2017 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Late 18th and even early 19th century capitalist thinking was pretty far afield from its modern progeny.

They wanted to break up aristocratic monopolies. Early classical economists wrote about the terrors of debt peonage, and fretted about how wage laborers could ever acquire enough capital and wealth to leave the laboring class. They worried about the unequal power of people who had capital and labor and how they could ever negotiate equally.

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The notion that you and he are talking about the same things and "what worked well for poor people" is entirely dubious. Metric ****tons of the things today's free market orthodox types talk about were offensive to pre-Industrial capitalists, they were things they actively worried about, they thought capitalism solved. Half of the yarns that pre-industrial capitalist wrote talked about using gasp, heaven forfend STATE AUTHORITY to open up markets to competition and how those forces would undermine aristocrats and accumulated wealth and liberate workers and the poor.
You are knocking down a straw man. I wasn't commenting on pre-industrial capitalists vs. modern capitalists. And I wasn't commenting on capitalist intellectual thought of any era or how that thought applied to the laboring class. I was responding to the following quote from einbert:

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Socialism [as a form of government] worked damn well for thousands of years before capitalism was even a thing.
And that contention still strikes me as ridiculous.
07-18-2017 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Pence getting little more than polite applause from Retail Federation when saying Obamacare must go. Not enthusiastic at all.
This is surprising, National Retail Federation has been against it since the beginning.
07-18-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
His deep unpopularity and people jumping off the train.
I still don't believe anyone's really jumped off the trump train. It's the same as prior to the election; they're faking it so people won't get mad at them.

At the least, it appears there's more people jumping off the democrat train.
07-18-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
It is kind of amazing the entire GOP opposition plan against Warren is just to call her Pocahontas.
Looks like correct strategy to me. They get people way better than 2p2 does.
07-18-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I still don't believe anyone's really jumped off the trump train. It's the same as prior to the election; they're faking it so people won't get mad at them.

At the least, it appears there's more people jumping off the democrat train.
Then why does his approval rating keep dropping? Why would they fake it to the pollsters, and more importantly, why would the rate of faking it increase over time?
07-18-2017 , 11:37 AM
Disapproving of Trump does not make them Clinton voters. They aren't really off the train until they are aboard another one.
07-18-2017 , 11:41 AM
Also he's lost some support from his voters but I saw the other night a report saying that he's got 88% approval with the people who voted for him. They figure that's all they need to win again in 2020 so they just keep doing what they do knowing his idiot voters won't abandon him.
07-18-2017 , 11:44 AM
time.com/4861843/chris-christie-donald-trump-jr-russia-meeting/

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(GLADSTONE, N.J.) — Republican Gov. Chris Christie on Monday addressed Donald Trump Jr.'s 2016 meeting with a Russian attorney, saying it's "probably against the law" to get opposition research for his father's presidential campaign from a foreign country.

But Christie, a friend and adviser to President Donald Trump, also said that it's too early be "jumping to conclusions" and that there's no evidence the campaign obtained such research.

"I think, quite frankly, it's probably against the law in addition to being inappropriate," Christie said. "I think the thing that bothers me the most is that we seem to have a frenzy of people jumping to conclusions."

Is there a chart laying out the palace political cliques?
07-18-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Disapproving of Trump does not make them Clinton voters. They aren't really off the train until they are aboard another one.
True but it is unlikely that he will be running against Clinton in 2020. And the number that need to vote for a third party or not bother at all in order for him to lose is not very high.

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Originally Posted by Namath12
Also he's lost some support from his voters but I saw the other night a report saying that he's got 88% approval with the people who voted for him. They figure that's all they need to win again in 2020 so they just keep doing what they do knowing his idiot voters won't abandon him.
He needs basically 100% of his voters to win. Almost any net movement towards the Democrat side and he loses.
07-18-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Hurricane Don, small and not well organized.
https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/stat...00059728347137
07-18-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Then why does his approval rating keep dropping? Why would they fake it to the pollsters, and more importantly, why would the rate of faking it increase over time?
If this is happening, they're not faking. They're just hanging up on the pollster.
07-18-2017 , 11:47 AM
I got a Maritz survey in the mail yesterday, pretty sure that's the first time I've ever been polled in my life
07-18-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Disapproving of Trump does not make them Clinton voters. They aren't really off the train until they are aboard another one.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my brother yesterday. He lives in a deep red area of the country. I asked him what percentage of Trump voters in his area he would describe as ardent racists. He said 20%. (I have no interest in debating the percentage, as it depends largely on how one defines "ardent". Just assume that we are talking about the 20% who are the most racist.)

I asked him how many of the people in that 20% would have voted for Ben Carson if he had been the nominee against HRC. His response: "Almost all of them. That crowd dislikes HRC, and the idea of supporting a party that they associate with welfare cheats and BLM, even more than they dislike the idea of a black guy like Ben Carson being president."

      
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