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02-02-2017 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
Devos seems pretty unpopular especially among women and teachers in my neck of the woods, and my neck of the woods unfortunately is overrun with trumpkins. It's funny that for all these women chiming in on my social media etc, this is the straw for them.
Yea, it's kinda funny the DeVos pick of all things is what's making conservative women regret voting for him.

1. Grab em by the pussy! Meh. Doesn't affect me or my salary.
2. Makes fun of reporter with disability. Meh. Doesn't affect me or my salary.
3. Mexicans are rapists! Meh. Doesn't affect me or my salary.
4. Muslim Ban. Meh. Doesn't affect me or my salary.
5. Puts DeVos in charge of Dept of Education. Clutches pearls and lies on fainting couch.
02-02-2017 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
If Trump starts pushing these things with without proper prep then it does become a problem. I bet the goal was to do this raid as a sort of show of force. They wanted to wait for more intel but Trump said f it.



We probably won't see any SEALs saying Trump left them there to die anytime soon though
Not so sure about that. The details that have been confirmed so far make it sound like a bigly failure. You don't send SEALs in anywhere expecting an intense firefight unless the target is much more valuable than whoever these guys were or there's an immediate threat to US lives or something. Getting in and out with zero casualties is always an objective and that's usually a realistic expectation when you have accurate intel and enough planning to ensure you're in control of the outcome at every step. I guarantee every guy involved in this at some point was thinking "this is ****ed up", because it was and they can tell the difference. If Trump starts demanding more military actions without proper intel and planning - which he will because he's an impatient bully - he's going to lose the support of the military quickly. Ordering illegal attacks on snowflake liberals is fine but incompetent leadership is unacceptable.


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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Do you have a source for this?
The post you quoted had a link to the story.
02-02-2017 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by d10
Not so sure about that. The details that have been confirmed so far make it sound like a bigly failure. You don't send SEALs in anywhere expecting an intense firefight unless the target is much more valuable than whoever these guys were or there's an immediate threat to US lives or something. Getting in and out with zero casualties is always an objective and that's usually a realistic expectation when you have accurate intel and enough planning to ensure you're in control of the outcome at every step. I guarantee every guy involved in this at some point was thinking "this is ****ed up", because it was and they can tell the difference. If Trump starts demanding more military actions without proper intel and planning - which he will because he's an impatient bully - he's going to lose the support of the military quickly. Ordering illegal attacks on snowflake liberals is fine but incompetent leadership is unacceptable.




The post you quoted had a link to the story.
NYT account had this as a previously planned mission that Obama had pocket vetoed. I imagine the scenario is that frustrated staff took it to Bannon or Flynn knowing there's no way DJT would pass on the opportunity to score a big via a mission that Obama was too much of a pussy to green light. That said not sure why they didn't call the thing off after it was apparent they had lost the element of surprise.
02-02-2017 , 03:13 AM
That may be the case but I fully expect there to be future missions that are directed from Trump without an understanding of the risks and it won't take many of those for the military community to realize he's getting people killed.
02-02-2017 , 03:24 AM
So so far with the wars we already have. War with China, Iran, North Korea, Mexico... Australia to build amusement parks? ugg.

Last edited by batair; 02-02-2017 at 03:27 AM. Reason: Well at least the environmental destruction wont be such a big deal.
02-02-2017 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Actually you said internment of "Americans", which made it accurate. Now as you state it w/o "Americans" it's not quite right. We put hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese in camps 30 years later. (mostly under a Democratic administration I think.)

Also more recent than the Japanese internment were the Displaced Persons camps where Jews were kept after the war, some of them until 1952.

Also Dems were the party of Slavery and Segregation until the Civil Rights Act.

The parties have changed in a lot of ways. And now the Republican party is like a billion times more fascist and currently has people locked up solely because of their nation of origin and religion.
That sounds like hyperbole, I'm gonna need a judges' ruling...

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I'll allow it!
02-02-2017 , 04:09 AM


Trump still on tilt from his call with Australia.
02-02-2017 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
5ive,

The answer is that Harris and chytry are both raging Islamophobes.
Heh, yeah, I gathered that after reading his reply.
02-02-2017 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I completely forgot who he was and I suspect so did about everyone else. (ofc this forum maybe not, but like among real people)

Trump wants whatever he says done and he doesn't care how.
Fred Douglass is in the starting lineup with MLK. This is incredible.
02-02-2017 , 05:16 AM
Sorry for my #fakenews post about the DeVos vote. Guess I shouldn't watch random utoobz streams of the Senate floor.
02-02-2017 , 06:01 AM
02-02-2017 , 07:47 AM
yeGods
02-02-2017 , 07:51 AM


Bring it, fascist
02-02-2017 , 07:55 AM

02-02-2017 , 08:02 AM
While I think we should all stop paying attention to Trump's shiny distraction objects on Twitter, I couldn't help but appreciate how we *formally* put Iran ON NOTICE. Does he have to pay Colbert royalties for stealing his bit? j/k, lol at Trump paying anything to anyone.

Anyway, that's the nice thing about Trump. Past Presidents and leaders who weren't making America great again did things with such informality. Trump is doing it right, crossing the T's and dotting the I's, making sure we are finally *formally* putting these bad hombres and Muslims and other darkies on notice.
02-02-2017 , 08:02 AM
Seems like every country (inc the EU obv) is on it's knees in depression or something, or have I missed some countries that are doing nicely?
02-02-2017 , 08:04 AM
A number of voters expressed the view that Hillary would be much more likely to start a war than Trump. Wonder how many are questioning that opinion at this point?
02-02-2017 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by kep
It's always left out that the $150b are Iran's in the first place. Trump makes it sound like the US forked over hard-earned American tax payer money and maybe 1% of Trump supporters might be aware of the actual facts.
02-02-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
A number of voters expressed the view that Hillary would be much more likely to start a war than Trump. Wonder how many are questioning that opinion at this point?
It's sort of like Drain the Swamp. What they meant was, Donald Trump would Drain the Swamp...of liberals. Sorry if you thought that meant some generic populist thing, probably your fault though.

So when mouthbreathers said Hillary was more likely to start a war than Trump, they meant a (bad) war. Not a glorious, good war to Make America Great Again and keep us safe and protect our jobs and redeem our national dignity after so many Presidents stabbed us in the back by not starting these good wars. Those wars that Trump will start are OK and they knew Trump might start those kinds, they were for that all along, they just meant a bad war Hillary might start. They are a little sorry for not being clearer on that but it's what they meant all along. Probably your fault for not understanding the obvious point though that the criticism of Hillary was actually personal, arbitrary, and limited to things Hillary might do or not do, not like some bit of wisdom about doing or not doing the things. It's smart and good when Trump does it.
02-02-2017 , 08:22 AM
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So when mouthbreathers said Hillary was more likely to start a war than Trump, they meant a (bad) war. Not a glorious, good war to Make America Great Again and keep us safe and protect our jobs and redeem our national dignity after so many Presidents stabbed us in the back by not starting these good wars. Those wars that Trump will start are OK and they knew Trump might start those kinds, they were for that all along, they just meant a bad war Hillary might start. They are a little sorry for not being clearer on that but it's what they meant all along. Probably your fault for not understanding the obvious point though that the criticism of Hillary was actually personal, arbitrary, and limited to things Hillary might do or not do, not like some bit of wisdom about doing or not doing the things. It's smart and good when Trump does it.
You know, the kind of war Hillary might start on her period. An emotional, baseless, petty act of revenge made in a fleeting moment of misplaced feminine rage. That kind of war could be a real disaster, after all.
02-02-2017 , 08:25 AM
If she was 25 years younger.
02-02-2017 , 08:26 AM
These kind of expert details don't matter so much to Real Americans.
02-02-2017 , 08:29 AM
Anyway the real story today is Trump's total **** up in Yemen:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...blame-at-trump

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This Times account relates a "a chain of mishaps and misjudgments that plunged the elite commandos into a ferocious 50-minute firefight that also left three others wounded and a $75 million aircraft deliberately destroyed." Chief Petty Officer William Owens was killed in the operation. There also appear to have been a large number of civilian casualties.
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What Reuters identifies as "U.S. military officials" says that "[President] Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations."
In typical Trump fashion, he's going to try to everyone to gaze in astonishment into his distraction clown show on twitter. Hopefully the press and onlookers don't get baited. This is the real story today, not Milo/Iran/Australia/Gorsuch/whatever. I don't think anyone learned the lesson but Democrats et al should be going HAM on this that Trump is in way over his head, is inept, and putting everyone in danger. All other stories can wait until later. This is both substantive and also entirely damaging to Trump's core framing to his supporters to have the Pentagon toss Trump under the bus like that.
02-02-2017 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Did we kill that 8 year old American bitch?

Yesterday.

FYP
02-02-2017 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
This former NSA dude has seemed to me to be on the more conservative side as far as hyperbole goes. Maybe someone else is more familiar with him.

He was 100% ALL IN on Hillarys emails during the campaign. I think he even officially endorsed Trump at one point.

      
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