Meanwhile they issued an apology for fake news regarding Comey (probably under threat of suit) and zero people were fired or resigned over it. The chutzpah is breathtaking sometimes.

Trump and Putin can take over the world and enslave every one of us for all I care. I'm done hearing about it until we can settle whether Jimmy Hoffa faked the moon landing.

I mean a president who said this



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72505238433794

Also tells us that "sources say" is a Fake News story and totally gets away with it, why wouldn't their media go to this well repeatedly?

I asked a Trumpkin for examples of fake news against Trump and you wouldn't believe the response.

"When Trump went to Saudi Arabia to deliver his Muslim speech, CNN said he decided to drop the 'Radical Islamic Terrorism' phrase. He didn't decide anything. Trump said he and his top people AGREED on it. He really swallowed his pride to make that speech and fake news lied to defame him instead of giving him credit."

Well, there is a pretty obvious reason why he thinks that when you use "sources say" you just made it up.

From a guy whose most reliable anonymous source is HIMSELF, someone who has been clocked at lying blatantly 70+% of the time (compared to Hillary's 26%, but the right doesn't care). He could probably make up sources at a more reliable rate.

I mean



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...31482397908992

Hint to Grassley: Just keep your eyes several words ahead of your mouth and you won't sound as much like a third-grader trying to read out loud.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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But you do agree the way he goes about it is very dangerous. He makes the issue black and white. Either fake or not and that isn't the case. Yes there is shoddy journalism done with anonymous sources but there's also been great work done with anonymous sources and those sources remained anonymous for the appropriate reasons. He shapes it and his supporters see it as a wage of war against entire networks and everything they put out is fake.

This is wrong, Trump is only saying that because that's how he uses anonymous sources. He just wishes he knew who it was to personally smear them rather than anything tangible to the argument. He certainly isn't acting like any of it isn't true.

For the love of god, stop supporting/normalizing authoritarianism. If you believe everything reported has to be sourced, then WAAF.

As above stated, many important stories never get reported if they aren't anon sourced.

NYT/WaPo only go with anonymous sources with corroboration. Trump and right wingers generally don't even have a source at all, they just make **** up and say "someone told me that."

Name five instances of stories that were invented or fictional from mainstream media. This should be easy if you believe the practice is so common.

DV1 is one of the best posters itt. But it is difficult for anyone to bat 1.000.

Maybe he'll just start jailing reporters until they give up their sources? There's precedent for it (the Dubya years) so why not?

HOW DID ANYONE VOTE FOR THIS CLOWN????

That's not what Dvaut was saying.

These anonymous sources, I think the anti-Trumpers agree, are essentially whistleblowers. Dvaut mentioned gossip, like sometimes anonymous sources are maybe talking about trivial embarrassing person scandals.

In general though un-named government sources are often essentially outlets for government propaganda (not necessarily lies) that they don't want to officially announce. I would guess the sources are the people in communications/media departments the vast majority of the time. They have relationships with the press. A government official who has no relationship with the media would be taking a risk and the media trying to call non-communications staff is a lot of work.

(See the book "On Bended Knee" for a look at the relationship of the press and the white house during the Reagan administration)

And again, most of the sources Trump is talking about are clearly not trying to help the administration, so they are remaining anonymous to not get fired or prosecuted.

Not sure why Dvaut is getting grief. Using anon sources is obv something journalists should take pains to avoid.

You imply by the sarcasm in your post that Trump Jr. should not have known about the laws against this, but really people who are involved in Presidential campaigns should have some knowledge of the laws governing them. Also ignorance of the law is not a defense.

That's like saying "stories are something journalists should avoid reporting". The whole reality of sources is because of the fact that revealing identities would squash the story. Keep in mind too, that it is the sources who want to remain anonymous. The media is not asking them to be anonymous.

I'll take all three of these (45218-452200) in one reply.

Long before Trump, mainstream media outlets own watchdogs have been proclaiming big problems in their own outlets with their overuse and casual use and unwarranted use of anonymous sources.

WaPo ombudsman:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121704658.html

USA Today founder Al Nueharth:

New York Times public editor multiple editorials about the NYT's overuse of anonymous sources damaging their credibility:

https://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.c...ymous-sources/

https://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.c...public-editor/

ESPN ombudman taking the same tact:

http://www.espn.com/espn/columns/sto...don&id=5220492

The New York Times even had a blog to police its own use of anonymous quotes!:

https://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.c...-in-the-times/

Just because Trump criticizes something doesn't mean it's without merit. He's absolutely correct that modern journalism is awash with really bad uses and justifications of anonymous sources

Obviously Trump is a blithering idiot who sock-puppeted as his own press agent. He's still correct that tons of the modern media, even at the highest levels, are truly awash in garbage use of anonymous quotes as their own public editors and ombudsman and auditors have been screeching about for a very long time now.

Jayson Blair fabricated up to 10 stories in the NYT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson...cation_scandal

Mitch Albom reported about a basketball game he never attended: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...editors-column

Janet Cook had her Pulitzer revoked for making up a story about an 8 year old heroin addict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_..._story_scandal

The New Republic's Stephen Glass made up stories for 3 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephe...epublic_affair

Jack Kelly wrote stories in the USA Today for years claiming he was filing stories as a correspondent from Cuba and Kosovo, places he had never visited: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_K...alist)#Scandal

Da faq? What industry do you work in? If your clients or a vendor or a coworker or any associate, whatever, if they ask you to violate your stated professional standards and quality controls, what do you do, throw up your hands and be like "welp, no choice, you asked?" Or like "oh thank god, I was getting tired of doing work the hard way, thanks for making this easy on me!"