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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-11-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
The Times now has the email to Donald Trump Jr. offering Russian aid to "incriminate Hillary." His reply: "If it's what you say I love it."
The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

If the future president’s elder son was surprised or disturbed by the provenance of the promised material — or the notion that it was part of an ongoing effort by the Russian government to aid his father’s campaign — he gave no indication.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.
lol that's amazing.
07-11-2017 , 11:28 AM
Man that lawyer Jr just hired must be one of "the best people".
07-11-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Jr.'s not good at this. He posted the email chain in screenshots to his twitter.



https://twitter.com/anamariecox/stat...92841758810112


https://twitter.com/JebBoone/status/884795662566555648
07-11-2017 , 11:30 AM
kinda hard to mount the defense that this person didn't work for the russian gov't when it says on the first page of the email, "an attorney who works for the russian gov't"

lol DJTJr. a very stupid, stupid, man
07-11-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by phillydilly
this all makes complete sense. DJT Jr takes the hit for EVERYTHING. DJT is absolved from being involved. DJT pardons Jr.

its like when weebay took the fall for all the murders barksdale's crew committed. the difference is this version stringer has the ability to pardon everyone.
You think this is the whole story and it ends today?? Seriously serious-ly doubt that.
07-11-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
He released them because the NY Times has them too now.
THAT'S DUMB. He can deny them forever if the Times posts them and would easily get away with it.
07-11-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by phillydilly
this all makes complete sense. DJT Jr takes the hit for EVERYTHING. DJT is absolved from being involved. DJT pardons Jr.

its like when weebay took the fall for all the murders barksdale's crew committed. the difference is this version stringer has the ability to pardon everyone.
huh? maybe if this was the single known communication between Team Trump and Russia
07-11-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hacksaw JD
kinda hard to mount the defense that this person didn't work for the russian gov't when it says on the first page of the email, "an attorney who works for the russian gov't"

lol DJTJr. a very stupid, stupid, man
also there is a reference to the "russian gouvernment attourney" in the email on pg 2.

this sounds like a fat contradiction on Jrs part. i wonder if he just made (another) big mistake tbh. but the email would be subpoenaed anyways so i guess it doesnt matter.
07-11-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson


Good luck legally proving that Putin was responsible for the hacking. Try subpoenaing the FSB.
It shouldn't be too hard considering Obama's CIA had an operative inside the Kremlin who has Putin personally giving orders to do the hacking. We don't know exactly what, if any, surveillance (or "wiretapps") were conducted, but we do know that because of that intelligence they left a bunch of cyber"bombs" in place in Russia for the next US President to authorize triggering at a later date. Guess what the next POTUS has done with this operation? Yep, either nothing at all, or Putin knows the details now.
07-11-2017 , 11:41 AM
High time for some people, including Trump, to be forced to lock in their stories under oath.
07-11-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
You think this is the whole story and it ends today?? Seriously serious-ly doubt that.
It's the same situation it's been for months, just with more information coming to light.

The story won't end today. It won't end for years. But the right is slowly, incrementally working themselves into full Iran-Contra mode: that thing we denied and lampooned you for believing happened actually happened just as you said, but in the end we cavorted with a hostile power for the betterment of America, really you should thank us. It's like that Narcissist Prayer joke meme from earlier: that didn't happen --> if it did, we didn't know --> it wasn't that bad --> actually we did it, you should be happy about it.

It may take months to get there, but we'll get there. Then it's going to be over to the justice system, Congress, and voters to keep anyone honest. How much hope you have for all of that I suppose is a matter of judgement. Remember the GOP controlled Congress is already reading from the Narcissist' Prayer-book so they're really ahead of the game here.
07-11-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
The Times now has the email to Donald Trump Jr. offering Russian aid to "incriminate Hillary." His reply: "If it's what you say I love it."
The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

If the future president’s elder son was surprised or disturbed by the provenance of the promised material — or the notion that it was part of an ongoing effort by the Russian government to aid his father’s campaign — he gave no indication.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.
I dont know guys, i dont know how anyone can say this is not theeee biggest break in this case andobviously is a smoking gun. This is it imo
07-11-2017 , 11:44 AM
So Kushner and Manafort were cc'd on the email, and also this:



"I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive"

Rhona = Rhona Graff who has worked at Trump Tower as Trump's assistant for decades.
07-11-2017 , 11:44 AM
That's a fake Twitter account, right? And those are faked emails? No one is stupid enough to post the incriminating information that the newspaper says exists and have it show exactly the incriminating information that the newspaper said it did, right?
07-11-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
That's a fake Twitter account, right? And those are faked emails? No one is stupid enough to post the incriminating information that the newspaper says exists and have it show exactly the incriminating information that the newspaper said it did, right?
Trump Jr : Hold my beer.
07-11-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by phillydilly
this all makes complete sense. DJT Jr takes the hit for EVERYTHING. DJT is absolved from being involved. DJT pardons Jr.

its like when weebay took the fall for all the murders barksdale's crew committed. the difference is this version stringer has the ability to pardon everyone.
It's more like Trump is Walder Frey and will have his men get stabby with everyone (even his own children, of which he has far too many obv, you see how they pile up?) as long as Tywin Putin stays satisfied.
07-11-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
That's a fake Twitter account, right? And those are faked emails? No one is stupid enough to post the incriminating information that the newspaper says exists and have it show exactly the incriminating information that the newspaper said it did, right?
They're moving to the "we did it, no biggie" defense because they assume the email trail was going to become public anyway. Now they can pretend they were transparent and this isn't a big deal.

As others have commented over the past few months, this is a lot like Iran Contra: Sure, we cavorted with America's enemy, but only to defeat the bigger menace. Russia is swapped in for Iran and menacing liberal Democrats swapped in for the Nicaraguan Sandinistas. I'm surprised the Oliver North patsy-cum-right-wing-hero role would actually be a Trump kid, you'd have to think Manafort or Flynn would have been far more likely, but such as it is, expect Donald Jr. to be a cherished right-wing icon with an FNC pundit gig after he is pardoned.
07-11-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Man that lawyer Jr just hired must be one of "the best people".
Lawyers: Donald Trump Jr. Is Getting Terrible Legal Advice

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“He’s stupid for saying what he said about why he took the meeting,” said Mariotti, who now does criminal defense work at Thompson Coburn.

“It’s very hard for me to believe that any lawyer would advise him to make a public statement containing factual assertions about what happened in a meeting with an agent of the Russian government,” he added. “What’s more likely is that Donald Trump Jr. spoke without consulting legal counsel.”

It was also deeply unwise for him to speak for himself, said Scott Greenfield, a New York criminal defense attorney. Lawyers usually speak for their clients in these situations to keep them from saying something that could hurt them in court. That’s why Jared Kushner and Michael Flynn are keeping mum about the Russia probe: They have good lawyers and appear to be following their advice. Not so, at least over the weekend, for Don Jr. Mariotti said Don Jr.’s one-man legal team—composed of New York attorney Alan Futerfas, according to Reuters—is also curious. Futerfas has extensive criminal defense in New York, including on Securities and Exchange Commission investigations, but isn’t admitted to the D.C. bar, and helms a tiny three-lawyer practice.
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07-11-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
No one is stupid enough
07-11-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
That's a fake Twitter account, right? And those are faked emails? No one is stupid enough to post the incriminating information that the newspaper says exists and have it show exactly the incriminating information that the newspaper said it did, right?
lol



https://twitter.com/andymoney69/stat...00341086265344
07-11-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Man that lawyer Jr just hired must be one of "the best people".
Yeah seriously. Junior's e-mail dump had to be approved by his attorney. Maybe they are in fact going for the "yeah I did it, so what" defense. "Collusion isn't illegal etc." Its the payback part that they'll be hard-pressed to get around. Trump is catering to Russia at every turn, and has from day one. It might get harder for GOP congressmen to blow that off.
07-11-2017 , 11:54 AM
LOL Fredo
07-11-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Yeah, it's a done deal right? LA gets 2024 or 2028 and Paris gets the other one. All the other candidates dropped out.
So this issue is a good one for Trump to latch on to and claim credit for no matter the outcome.

From what I can see it was down to just LA and Paris after every other city with a bid had dropped out by February of this year, yes, but the idea of a dual award where one city would get the 2024 games (likely Paris at this point) and the other would get the 2028 games was only an idea presented to the IOC President last year....

"IOC President Thomas Bach Bach has said the idea of a double award was presented to him at a lunch last year by friends whom he declined to identify in a recent interview with French sports daily L’Equipe."

Proposal drawn last year.

On June 9 of this year ...

"The Executive Board also decided to put forward a proposal to the IOC Session to award the Olympic Games 2024 and 2028 at the same time. For this purpose the Executive Board called for an Extraordinary Session to take place on July 11 and 12 in Lausanne. In its decision, the Executive Board highlighted that having two great candidatures from the Candidate Cities of Los Angeles and Paris is a unique opportunity."

https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-exe...-olympic-games

But, although it was down to just LA and Paris, and a dual award system was on the table, it looks like LA didn't necessarily want to go along with that deal. (Which doesn't make a ton of sense, pure gambool, risking losing 2024 outright and having to rebid against a potentially better bid for 2028. Even if they thought they were big favorites. I dunno, they must have had a good reason.)

Now on July 11-12 the IOC is going to finalize that dual award. The IOC wants it to tie up Tokyo 2020 and LA/Paris for 2024/28 giving them a decade of stability. LA is ready for 2024 or 2028, but Paris is insisting they can only host 2024. So it's likely going to be Paris 2024 and LA 2028.

What involvement Trump has in the meetings today and tomorrow isn't clear. It's possible he has gov't representatives there to work out some details that are likely present at any major games hosting affair, but poking his beak into this essentially done deal is great for him. Freeroll. He can take credit for "finalizing and completing the deal" or w/e and, with time, even those who point out that he had virtually nothing to do with the LA bid will lose to the brays of "Trump brought LA the Olympics" that you'll hear about for ****ing ten years.
07-11-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
So Kushner and Manafort were cc'd on the email, and also this:



"I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive"

Rhona = Rhona Graff who has worked at Trump Tower as Trump's assistant for decades.
If this is real this puts us inside the White House and directly implicates Donald.

Literally any other Congress is already drawing up impeachment articles.
07-11-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
lol



https://twitter.com/andymoney69/stat...00341086265344
Hahaha his whole feed is pretty good right now: https://twitter.com/JYSexton

      
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