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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-11-2017 , 01:56 AM
*"sane"
07-11-2017 , 01:59 AM
I don't know if my pony is slow on this, but Trump and Putin skipped out on the climate change part of the G20 to have their meeting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7828541.html
07-11-2017 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Don Jr being nicknamed Diaper Don is awkward, we need that nickname available for when the pee tape drops.
I'm willing to go with Drippy Don.
07-11-2017 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Probably because it had nothing to do with this thread and was kinda taking it over.

That's a ****load of posts to excise, good work Wookie.
The select all posts on a page functionality is clutch


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Originally Posted by Hold'em 07
Clinton bleached her emails. Trump will spray tan his.
07-11-2017 , 02:19 AM
Golden Don is better because he would not be able to give any tours of his gold clad properties without people thinking...
07-11-2017 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker
No answer changes the minds of either rabid Trump supporters or rabid HRC supporters. A safe answer changes no minds anywhere on the spectrum. But I think there's a small chance a snarky answer turns off some undecideds or HRC-leaning repubs who can't stand Trumps crassness. Her whole campaign was run on a "I'm the adult in the room" message. She can't afford to give ammo to the "they're both the same" chorus of morons.

Obviously in hindsight it didn't matter; white women found a reason to pull the lever for Trump and they have the "Trump can grab my pussy" T-shirts to prove it.
Aren't you overestimating the intelligence of the American voter that gave GWB 2 terms? These Wisconsinites can barely tie their shoes. It sucks, but that's reality. They know 2 things. Farming, and blacks, Muslims, and Mexicans are ruining America. These people are so ****ing gullible it will make your head spin.

Call trump an incestuous rapist for a month straight and even Ivanka will vote for Hillary. Control the narrative and profit. Bernie knows this, and so does Warren.

Hillary won by only 3 million votes because she's a **** up. It's like she forgot she's a heterosexual white Christian and could speak with impunity in this stupid country.
07-11-2017 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
So the latest Trump is that him bashing women who accused him of sexual assault was just heated campaign rhetoric while his son, by their account, was duped by Democrats into meeting with a Russian to talk about child adoption which people in the know will tell you is code for Russian sanctions because Russia put the hold on American adoptions of Russian children because of the sanctions.
You should be getting royalty checks shortly, as NYT made this point today: When the Kremlin Says ‘Adoptions,’ It Means ‘Sanctions’
07-11-2017 , 03:09 AM
Putin has to be pretty annoyed that these guys are such clowns.
07-11-2017 , 03:43 AM
The Alt-Right in a Nutshell



(borrowed from r/neoliberal)
07-11-2017 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
So they say daddy didn't know about this meeting. Have they said when he found out about it? He just now read about it in WaPo and NYT? LoL, come on man.
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Originally Posted by Our House
Couple of things.

1) Jake Tapper said Jr was telling him/CNN that Russian meetings for spy intel were a "witch hunt" when he knew they weren't... because he just had at least one of his own lol.

2) Huckabeast was asked when Trump found out about his son's meeting. She said a few days ago heh. They followed up asking if he was concerned about it (his top guys all meeting on such an important topic, with such important people) and being left in the dark. She was like, nope it's standard for a campaign.

Let's see, what else?.. Oh...

3) When asked if Trump brought up sanctions with Putin, she said yes. Trump just tweeted no sanctions were discussed in the Putin meeting.

4) Major asked Huckabeast if she was concerned about the overwhelming pattern of lying on clearance forms until news reports force Trump team members to drip confessions of meetings out one at a time. Her reply was everyone has "all" of their meetings now disclosed on their updated security forms. She doesn't seem to understand how clearance forms work, or see a problem with Jared's honesty or clearance level either.

I don't know how a human being can be Trumpish for more than a few hours, much less day after day every day.
Yes, exactly what you said.
07-11-2017 , 04:38 AM
07-11-2017 , 04:43 AM
Once again, this is relevant:



Seems like "You" = "Hillary Clinton" in that last part.
07-11-2017 , 04:43 AM
Seriously lol at HRC's anodyne response to a stupid debate question still getting the intense critical reading in this thread. Gimme a break.

Also, looking forward to learning how the lamestream media overstepped its bounds again with this Donnie Jr. smear attempt.
07-11-2017 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
Seriously lol at HRC's anodyne response to a stupid debate question still getting the intense critical reading in this thread. Gimme a break.

Also, looking forward to learning how the lamestream media overstepped its bounds again with this Donnie Jr. smear attempt.
When the entire Trump team is breaking serious laws and confessing to them, we don't generally call that a smear attempt.

It's tough, but you have to remove your hands from your eyes and fingers from your ears to realize this.
07-11-2017 , 05:14 AM
I think the thing that saves Trump Jr from treason is that Russia would probably not be considered an enemy. The relevant bit of the Treason definition seems to be
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Originally Posted by Article III US Constitution
adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort
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Originally Posted by US Code 2381
adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere
This article seems to be a decent source for what "aid and comfort" might mean, and it seems pretty clear taking a meeting with a known agent of a foreign power would constitute it.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/787437?...n_tab_contents
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Wherever overt acts have been committed which, in their natural consequence, if successful, would encourage and advance the interests of [enemies], in judgment of law aid and comfort are given
So it doesn't matter that no intelligence was received, it only matters what would 'naturally' have happened if the purpose was actually achieved. I don't see how you could argue taking a meeting with agents of Russia wouldn't have advanced their interests if successful - it's a natural assumption that, absent special circumstances, people are acting in their own interests.

However, Russia probably aren't enemies. It seems "enemies" is narrowly understood to apply "only to the subjects of a foreign power in a state of open hostility with us".

The possible wrinkle is that the US (along with most countries) has pretty much given up on declarations of war, so I'd imagine you couldn't just argue Russia isn't an enemy as no war has been declared. Further the US is involved in a clear war zone along with Russia, and, up until Trump's presidency openly wanted Assad gone, who Russia openly supported. I think there were no clashes between even proxy groups, however - at least those that the two powers would admit to - until the bombing of the air strip recently.

Should add I know this is all just academic, even if it could fit the law I don't think Trump Jr is getting charged with Treason.
07-11-2017 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
Seriously lol at HRC's anodyne response to a stupid debate question still getting the intense critical reading in this thread. Gimme a break.

Also, looking forward to learning how the lamestream media overstepped its bounds again with this Donnie Jr. smear attempt.
Its pretty unfair of the nyt to wait until after he's lied about his treasonous actions to release info proving him a liar. They should release everything and let him figure out a lie that fits from the start.

Otherwise you get this unseemly situation where he has to lie then change his lie to a different lie then pretend he never lied and the things he was lying about actually arent important. Thats the real story here.
07-11-2017 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Thinking about the apocalyptic climate change New York Magazine article, what's the O/U on the number of people who are going to die in the next hundred years or so because of Trump?
In 50 years who will be seen as a greater set of villains the nazis or 90's to 2020's republicans? The latter will have a far bigger death toll but might skate because "they weren't sure" or whatever.
07-11-2017 , 07:07 AM
Everyone is talking about how Republicans are changing their party platform again. Effective immediately, they are reversing their stance on 2nd Amendment restrictions to ban all smoking guns.
07-11-2017 , 07:30 AM
Check out this "thread" outlining tweets, statements, and activities surrounding Fredo's June 9th meeting at Trump Tower.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/sta...81664340443136

They have Reince as a potential attendee (speculation based on the timing of his covert coming and going to TT that day), the UK author of the email showing up there too, Roger Stone, Guiliani, even Eric's wife all making public "predictions" of information damaging to Hillary emerging shortly after.

If Mueller was interested enough in Stone predicting Podesta's time in the barrel, he's definitely going to be checking all this out.

I'm willing to bet a decent chunk of my roll that they are blatantly lying when they say nothing happened at this adoption meeting. **** happened. And Trump knew. And Jared and Manafort knew the reason why they were meeting up. And Manafort has tons of experience with this stuff, so spare us all the new/naive excuses.
07-11-2017 , 07:34 AM
But I do understand their argument that 30 minutes isn't enough time. You clearly need at least 2 hours and 15 minutes to collude with Russia at the highest levels.

EDIT: Unless you're really fast, like Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch. Experience matters.

Last edited by Our House; 07-11-2017 at 07:40 AM.
07-11-2017 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pyatnitski
Should add I know this is all just academic, even if it could fit the law I don't think Trump Jr is getting charged with Treason.
Maybe I'm cynical, but none of the Trumps are getting charged with anything. Modern American justice for rich white elites is irony, humor, and snark, not like deterring or mitigating their crimes. So pile on the snark and enjoy the show but don't get too invested in expecting these guys to get charged with crimes, you'll likely wind up disappointed.
07-11-2017 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Maybe I'm cynical, but none of the Trumps are getting charged with anything. Modern American justice for rich white elites is irony, humor, and snark, not like deterring or mitigating their crimes. So pile on the snark and enjoy the show but don't get too invested in expecting these guys to get charged with crimes, you'll likely wind up disappointed.
I don't care that much about anyone being charged with a crime. I'd settle for DJT and company all going away and disappearing back in the woodwork.
07-11-2017 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Welp Jr lawyered up today. That was quick.
But, unfortunately for Trump & crew, about 2 days worth of public statements too late.
07-11-2017 , 07:59 AM
First GOP response to the Trump Jr situation on Morning Joe was Bill Cassidy (R) saying we can't let distractions like this pull us away from the important issues.
07-11-2017 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by crimedopay420
You don't have to play along though. Trump had proven this by denying climate change and Obama's birth certificate, calling Mexicans rapists, saying McCain is not a war hero because he got caught, Access Hollywood tape, 12 women accusing him of sexual assault, and winning the ****ing nomination. What exactly does Trump need to do before she can dodge that question for political gain?
It's not about Trump. It's about Hillary needing to grow a penis.

When people talk about things like privilege it includes situations like this where a women is going to end up being judged differently than a man ever would.

And Trump's an extra special case. He has so much **** that he can get away with 'little ****-ups' because there's not enough time to cover it in detail. But the 'liberal' media needed to feel like fair was equal coverage and so they would have devoted a bunch of time to Hillary's snub of Trump.

      
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