hmm that also makes sense, after some careful thought i might have to re-consider my position on this one

i mean certainly mcmuffin didnt think he was going to win the presidency, right?

There may or may not have been some adantharian position that McMuffin was playing for an EC push and reasoning that the Rep-dominated Senate (Congress? Whichever, lol) would be tasked with nominating the next POTUS. IIRC that was Wallace's goal when he ran third-party. I don't know if that theory was actually held by adanthar or if he just mentioned it in passing, but it's associated with adanthar in my memory, anyway.

But realistically, probably not, I think McMuffin was just a sincere #NeverTrump guy doing what he thought was best.

Speaking of Hillary, she was wrong again. Remember when she complimented Trump on his children at the end of that debate? What a read!

ahhh, i remember that now.

whether his motivation was to secure a push, or just to win utah, either way it neuters trump a bit and lessens his chances of securing the white house, so i guess i cant hate.

man i was ****ing enraged when she gave that answer

good one, stupid *****

CIA agents who served in the Middle East post 9/11 have some likelihood of having done some awful **** or being part of an institution that largely still defends their conduct which by many reputable accounts made them party to war crimes and other crimes against humanity.

I don't have some burning hate for the guy and I'd be willing to hear him out about how he feels about serving and what the CIA did at the time - but I personally would be very wary allying myself with a league avegare CIA agent who served in the Middle East in the last 15 years. Cause who the **** really knows what those guys were up to.

I get that people even on the left have found new deep respect for the IC as Respectable Trump foils but I am not comfortable lionizing any of these people.

Claude Taylor is making another one of his predictions. This time, his source is claiming solid proof that Manafort coordinated HRC (does he mean Podesta?) email dumps with Wikileaks.

so, DHS gonna make foreign students reapply for permission every year. That'll surely make them want to come study here! (*I know that's the point)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...d39_story.html

Taylor is fake news, stop it. It's a filter of "whoever is stupid enough to believe this, go buy something of mine over here"

I cringed, too, but what was she supposed to say? Imagine you're running for Prez. You know you're going to get the "say something nice about your opponent" question. What would you say? You can't say "nothing" or you come across like a total dick. So either you have to say he has decent taste in very severe- and/or slightly masculine-looking eastern European woman with a side of "chooses good plastic surgeons", or you compliment his kids.

Don't forget Ivanka had just given a speech at the RNC that had people in this forum saying "Ivanka for President."

there are a million better answers than giving some ****ty fake compliment to his truly awful, reprehensible, white nationalist children

Does this guy have any track record of being accurate? If not, quoting people like him or Louise Mensch or whatever conspiracy dumbasses are promising Trump's Impeachment Is Right Around The Corner is the sort of thing that Clovis should be tone-policing about that makes us like r/The_Donald.

What would you say?

Edit: At the time, I don't think anyone but Jr had been exposed as truly awful, yet.

"He's very good at filing bankruptcy"

Boom. Funny, hits home, shows some wit and originality. So, an answer HRC would never give.

Not that I am any McMullin fan but I think you're a little off base here. Sure there was lots of shady stuff going on in the anti-terrorism effort over there, but there's a far cry from being one of the active participants in the torture and detainment stuff and just being someone who did their job with respect to indexing and analyzing the intelligence information that was gained while keeping your head down and letting the 'hard' guys do their thing. I mean, just because someone doesn't resign in protest doesn't mean that everyone working with and around them approved of all of that nefarious conduct.

Painting all CIA agents as questionable because of the actions of just a few is inappropriate -- especially since even the guys who were doing the really bad stuff were apparently told by the CIA and DOJ lawyers that what they were doing was legal. The whole thing was a cluster**** for sure, but most of the blame lies way at the top, not with the guys down on the ground. Just my two cents.

"He has groomed Ivanka to be very poised and graceful."

Doesn't actually compliment her character, and throws shade-by-omission at the other kids.

Meh, they're awful but I didn't hate the answer. Also pretty standard when you can literally think of nothing good to say publicly about someone to compliment their children, I read it as fairly backhanded at the time.

My 2 cents is I think it's fair. Torture used to be wrong, even for the CIA. It probably happened, but not on anything like the scale it took on and not officially sanctioned. Most of the CIA guys probably weren't the "hard" guys, but asked the questions while Iraqi or Afghan nationals did the torturing and I think it was/is widespread enough that everyone in the CIA over there is complicit. If 10% of the agents had resigned, the torturing would have stopped.

For one, this is a classic Nuremberg Defense where the blame is "way at the top" (where? who at the top faced justice? What does McMullin think about bringing them to justice?). The fact that a person acted pursuant to order a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law and we all retain moral choices.

But two: you can't have it both ways, claiming "the whole thing was a cluster****" where blame goes all the way around and then up to the top, but then people who continue to defend the institution and work for the institution are blameless. If your institution is in gross violation of international law, ****ing the laws of nature, you admit the whole thing is a cluster****, what's the justification for continuing? Like when we **** up in my business, we might issue a client a credit and our **** ups don't involve war crimes. People who hold immense power and wield it should be held to high standards. If it was a huge cluster****, show me the recompense. Show me justice. Show me pleas for forgiveness.

I'd even be nice and give the guy an out! Can he come home and show contrition?

As I said, I'd hear McMullin out but from what I remember he was wishy washy, basically saying he didn't torture anyone, he was aware of things reported in the news but it's all classified so he can't talk about it, and when asked about waterboarding -- called it a grey area.

So: Not going to sing that guy's praises. I've been careful, I'm not going to call the guy a scumbag because obviously I don't and can't possess all the facts about scenarios which necessarily exist behind a big wall of classification but what I have heard from McMullin wasn't reassuring and I find the left's willingness to aggrandize him bordering on reckless.

Donald Trump Jr. was told in an email that material damaging to Hillary Clinton was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father

Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

The email to the younger Mr. Trump was sent by Rob Goldstone, a publicist and former British tabloid reporter who helped broker the June 2016 meeting.

Heh, seemed like a part 3 was coming given the timing of the first two...

Maddow breaking this time article on her shoa live right now. Also about to have schiff on live fyi

BOMBSHELL 3 PART ARTICLE!

EDIT: Fredo Trump falling for this hook, line & sinker is going to set Daddy OFFFFF against the MSM. Wow.

WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

How is this not a smoking gun? Does this story appear as big to you guys as it does to me?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/1...candidacy.html

he was told this was a russian government operation, and HE TOOK THE MEETING. he brought kushner and manafort the 2 top guys in the campaign!! smoking ****ing gun

Is this the tick tick tick? Would be pretty ironic if emails brought down Trump.