Exactly right. The mere impeachment proceedings, resignation/removal, political chaos of a completely divided party, and impending midterm election drubbing would make them completely ineffective.

It's becoming a less relevant question, however, since the current administration is completely ineffective all by itself.

If Trump is impeached or resigns, Democrats chances of winning in 2020 go way way up.

Preet Bharara, still GPOAT.

What if they strenuously object to the suggestion that they interfered?

there's just no way, no WAY, zero point zero percent chance trump lets his favorite daughter's beloved rich husband go to jail for treason when he has the power to pardon him. i cannot fathom a reality where trump doesn't go on a pardon spree after muller wastes a year+ dutifully compiling a comprehensive list of all the crimes of the trump family. trump will have an aide skim for the names and go
pardon....
pardon.
pardon
pardon
pardon
pardon
pardon

So this Donnie jr meeting is the reason they've recently moved the narrative from ' there's zero evidence of collusion' to 'collusion's not even a crime.'

Man, if Mueller can't nail these clowns, who not only made no attempt to hide their crimes but now admit to them in public, I severely overestimate him.

Politics Book Review Thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...hread-1627319/

Interesting. The one thing Don Jr. still has on his side, I think, is that this is a Russian national but not necessarily someone working for the Russian government, even if she has connections to the Kremlin. There's plausible deniability in that, well, this person wants to help them win the election, and sure they're from Russia but that doesn't mean they're working for a foreign government.

Yet another instance in a never-ending string of events where the best case scenario for the Republican in question is that they are just a complete ****ing idiot.

To quote CIA director John Brennan when questioned about THIS EXACT TOPIC, "Frequently, people who go along a treasonous path do not know they are on a treasonous path until it is too late."

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Don Jr. doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Legitimacy doesn't matter if interests are aligned. Pence would be worse than trump, because he would be able to focus.

Brilliant. I was about to post yesterday about how it would be awesome if the WaPo released a bombshell story in a few bomby parts so Trump lawyers and complicit ******s had enough rope to hang themselves by publicly changing alibis between each story released.

Then I get back just now to see that NYT did it. That is what happened here, right?

SNL.nothing.matters.uToob

For all we know, they're only looking at leakers/democrats.

I'm kinda hoping for everyone who did illegal **** dem or rep to hit the slammer. That won't happen though, it's gonna be political in some way shape or form.

Depends how much shame Republicans have, I guess. You'd think the answer is "none" but as an example, this Senate healthcare bill isn't looking great and they had to struggle mightily to pass the House one, despite having enough members to do so. I think there'd be large opposition to a Pence administration on the very basis of its legitimacy and that nervous Congresscritters worried about having a job in the future would be wary of acting as their pawns.

Since Democrats held Congress during the Nixon era, it's not totally analogous, but in the 1974 midterms (right after Nixon resigned) they went from 56 -> 60 seats in the Senate (two R incumbents lost and they gained two seats from retired R senators) and 242 seats in the House to 291 (!!).

If you look at the experts Mueller took on his team, you wouldn't draw that conclusion.

A freeform Trump with Putin backing him and GOP protecting both of their treasonous crimes is LIGHT YEARS worse than a Pence & GOP severely crippled by Trump's impeachment/resignation could ever be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c4209ba87acd

Good article should read

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.

Read that last part again: “the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting.”

Trump Jr. confirmed that he went into the meeting expecting to receive information from the Russian lawyer that could hurt Clinton. That is a breathtaking admission.

fredo trump

One of the comments was great. Something about Daddy's little disappointment taking down the whole organization.

I wanted to reply "Tiffany flipped?" but was afraid of being associated with that poster. Thanks Trump!

Well, Fredo Jr. And Eric is also Fredo. Ivana is girl Fredo. Barron is baby Fredo.

It sure is getting smokey around here..

Don't forget the GodFredo. He's literally a Don.