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07-06-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
anyone else catch the blatant white nationalist note trump was sounding in poland with his reference to western culture?

very strange how that's the exact thing you'd expect from a #WhiteGenocide twitter nut
Why is that strange? Trump is a #WhiteGenocide twitter nut. It would be strange if he didn't make racist comments.
07-06-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?
We'll see. Peope are still giving the gop power so we don't seem to at the moment.
07-06-2017 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Don't know what "scoring low" on authority even means.
Yea but whatever, just forget about all this formal dry stuff. Conservatives are dumb sadists, right!
07-06-2017 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
This voter fraud fraud is impossible. We lost.

CNN just clarified that the 46 states opposed are the ones who won't fully comply. They said the majority of states are willing to turn over publicly available data in some form.

Before you stop to think how that might be okay, it's not. It's really not.
I mean, if there is information that is actually publicly available (like I could get it by submitting the proper request or whatever) then I don't see why they shouldn't hand it over and I also don't see how they could really refuse.

I assume stuff like party affiliation is not publicly available?

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
There kind of is. Namely make sure everyone understands what is actually causing the difference in opinion. So for example if one says we shouldn't do x because the benefits of x don't make up for the fact that 20,000 will now die, we should make sure whether those who disagree think it will cause a lot less than 20,000 deaths rather than if they think 20,000 is a price worth paying. If it is the former the argument can become technical rather than moral. And if it is the latter we apply similar analysis to see if THAT disagreement is based on something else that can perhaps be pinned down and argued technically.
Eh, the Modern American Conservative will just insist that it will not cause 20,000 deaths even though the CBO said it will, but they will not be able to explain their reasoning and will retort with "yeah but Clinton murdered 20,001 people so **** you" when pressed too far.

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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
Pulling one piece of that tweet thread:



https://twitter.com/kpanyc/status/882643446934237185

I've seen the evidence of this (nationalism is a new thing) is various histories I've read, it's shocking in context. It's one of many current things we assume have always been, but actually are new inventions.
I can't read the tweets because I'm at work but it seems to me that nationalism must be relatively new because it's arch-enemy is globalism (or (((globalism)))) and the technology pushing forward global integration is relatively new.
07-06-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Yea but whatever, just forget about all this formal dry stuff. Conservatives are dumb sadists, right!
I'm not sure what this post means at all.

I'm trying to find out what scoring low on authority means.
07-06-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Yea but whatever, just forget about all this formal dry stuff. Conservatives are dumb sadists, right!
--They're not conservatives, they're fascists.
--In many ways they're not dumb. They understand power and how it works and flows far better than "liberals" do in many ways, and that is evident from their successes as well as the way they operate.

Example: McConnell destroyed Obama so badly over the years (often by outright breaking the rules, but still) that to call these fascists "dumb" I think is badly failing to see the reality of the situation.
07-06-2017 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Whoa, easy now. As one of the most anti-religion posters, I can tell you that most atheists don't hold this position. Only the hardest atheists do.
Someone who will neither commit to "there is a god" or "there is no god" is an agnostic, not an atheist.

Last edited by JacktheDumb; 07-06-2017 at 01:18 PM.
07-06-2017 , 01:15 PM
Head of the Office of Governmental Ethics resigns

inc. replacement Bobby DeVos
07-06-2017 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
Someone who will neither commit to "there is a good" or "there is no god" is an agnostic, not an atheist.
+1, as an "apathetic agnostic" I don't know and I don't care-except that my life and world is completely disrupted by those that think they know and take care to enforce their beliefs on everyone else.

And really, most agnostics are just trying to be polite to their religious friends. There is no empirical way to "know", no actual evidence, the simplest explanation is no god. When pushed, I'm an atheist.

Surprisingly, it seems that the average non-religious person is more "moral" (definition--assigning the same rights to others as to oneself) that the self-proclaimed morality police whose primary mission is to de-humanize groups of people, to make them "lesser" and therefore unworthy of equal treatment.
07-06-2017 , 01:18 PM


I'm no economics expert, nor the Sec'y of Energy, but...
07-06-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
It's the old make a rock you can't lift argument. Is such a being powerful enough to create something that it doesn't know about? You can't both be powerful enough to create something you don't know exists and have knowledge of everything that exists. Logically you can be nearly all knowing and nearly all powerful but never fully all.
Pretty weak sauce, might as well say it has to know the last digit of pi or it can't be all-knowing, has to be able to make a five-sided triangle or it can't be all-powerful.

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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
Someone who will neither commit to "there is a good" or "there is no god" is an agnostic, not an atheist.
Ooh ooh ooh LABELFIGHT! Always so much fun.
07-06-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I SAID GOOD DAY SIR

I could watch this all day
07-06-2017 , 01:22 PM
Also, there's a difference between saying "I don't know if there is a god," and denying the existence of the god of the Bible
07-06-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic


I'm no economics expert, nor the Sec'y of Energy, but...
Coal Field of Dreams
07-06-2017 , 01:25 PM
Here is something chilling. The fourteen warning signs of fascism.

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

I would really like to know, if the Americans here would a any of those signs apply and if yes, how many signs do?
07-06-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic


I'm no economics expert, nor the Sec'y of Energy, but...
Maybe they should start giving the stuff away in order to generate demand, it's possible that people are just ignorant of coal's awesomeness. If bags of Kingsford Matchlight start showing up gratis on my doorstep I may get behind this new Energy Secretary

07-06-2017 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
Someone who will neither commit to "there is a god" or "there is no god" is an agnostic, not an atheist.
If you someone asks you "Do you own a belief that there is a theistic god?" and you answer no, you are an a-theist. The definition is right there in the word.

Agnosticism is something else entirely and not mutually exclusive with atheism.
07-06-2017 , 01:31 PM
Don't make me excise you bastards and send it to RGT.
07-06-2017 , 01:36 PM
Religion just howling up in here
07-06-2017 , 01:47 PM
Even giving trump the benefit of the doubt and it is other countries ****ing with our democracy it doesn't change the fact that he is basically doing nothing about it. It happens all the time guys. Relax.

Last edited by prana; 07-06-2017 at 01:53 PM.
07-06-2017 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Trump went there to chew gum and **** on the American IC and press and appears to have run out of gum.
lol

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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Ok you are entitles to your view. We know there is no god, we agree there. I think there is more behind the scenes of human nature than just "logic". Its evident that people have a very hard time putting their religion away, i wonder why logic doesnt help them. There are also other ways that humans defy rationality. For example we have built in biases that hinders us in looking for truth, in many cases human nature actively wants us to not find or search for truth. Also we know that humans like you and me tell themselves all kinds of lies and made up stories every day that is clearly false and easy to discredit, but still we dont. And when it comes to "god" i dont think the god even matters that much, i think their morals foundations are underlying and that it leads some people to believe in god, but the belief in god itself wouldnt change their moral behaviour as long as the moral foundations was the same. But thats something that you might not understand unless you have been through the same material as i have, so just view this as my position and you can have your position. I dont really feel like going into depths about it. But i would ask myself why intelligent honest people are religious and cant seem to put away their religion, maybe its not so easy as to say that they dont grasp logic. But whatever buddy.
People everywhere believe all kinds of wrong things because they've been told those wrong things and we do not have anywhere close to the stamina necessary to question every single belief we have.

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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
It just shows that we have different brains and different moral foundations. We liberals have alot of empathy and we hate proportionality, but the more right wing you get the story is the opposite. This means that its extremely hard to understand the other side. In the election i think most ppl at this forum recognized that a person like Ted Cruz was very different from what we are.

Im exaggerating wrt the proportionality, the results are just deviations from average. Everyone of us value proportionality (as well as the other moral foundations). For example most people would agree that the workers that are devoted and interrested should be given a pay raise once in a while while compared to those who dont care about the work or are lazy. The thing is that we on the left value it in moderations whereas on the right wing they value it to a far bigger extent. Its a perfectly fine moral foundation, its just a question of how far you stretch it.

Empathy is obvious the trait we like on the left, we score low on everything else. We care for the oppressed and the weak in every policy we make.

Conservatives like empathy too, but they have a number of other foundations that will be given a equal saying, so their policies will seldom contain the amount of empathy that we want on the left and they will look cold and unforgiving to us.

Now this explains general politics, but in the US there is xenophobia going on that probably distorts the political landscape and recruits more far right wing politicians than what would normally be the case, and this might cause alot of the polarization and diminishes the middle ground etc. So we should keep that in mind when talking about the US and i accept that its hard to be tolerant for everything the gop is going.
Again, I ask: What is your point?

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
anyone else catch the blatant white nationalist note trump was sounding in poland with his reference to western culture?

very strange how that's the exact thing you'd expect from a #WhiteGenocide twitter nut
Your post is wrong because it implies that Trump is not a #WhiteGenocide Twitter nut.
07-06-2017 , 01:48 PM

https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/883007616435269632
07-06-2017 , 01:50 PM
Also, Obama probably commit treason or something if he didn't do anything about it.
07-06-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Also, Obama probably commit treason or something if he didn't do anything about it.
I really love how his sycophants have embraced this

-Russia hacks under Obama's watch

-Obama sanctions Russia

-Trump claims "Obama did nothing" while trying to get sanctions lifted

-"I think it was Russia, probably other people in other countries though"
07-06-2017 , 02:02 PM
TiltedDonkey: What is my point? My point is that you stop crying. Thats my point and if you believe there is more points than that then dont worry about it.

      
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