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07-05-2017 , 01:49 PM
Claude Taylor just posted a day or two ago that WaPo has collusion evidence and the IC has them holding it back. CNN now too? Hmmmpff.

EDIT: Found it.
https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/...05275017334785

Last edited by Our House; 07-05-2017 at 01:56 PM.
07-05-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by miajag
lmao @ posting Claude Taylor bull****

i'm sure those sealed indictments are coming down any day now
She's still pushing this as recently as today.
07-05-2017 , 02:03 PM
I said a long time ago that Trump's success was likely to encourage people on both sides to just make **** up (like an alleged conversation between the Claude Taylor twitter account and a "Senior CNN Executive").
07-05-2017 , 02:08 PM
What's Claude Taylor's deal? I know Mensch has that Heat Street crap, so in theory I get it. What's his angle? Faves and retweets?
07-05-2017 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark



Is this dude legit? Anyone know?
07-05-2017 , 02:20 PM
The derposphere seems fired up over #CNNBlackmail.
07-05-2017 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
The botosphere seems fired up over #CNNBlackmail.
FYP
07-05-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I don't mind doxxing him, **** him, but there's definitely something real weird about the reporter inserting himself into the story as essentially a blackmailer, keeping the threat of doxxing out there and making him write apologies and ****.

That's ****ed up, that's not the role of a journalist.
This is fake news.

CNN tracked him down with some google/FB sleuthing, because it's newsworthy that the Pres. retweets a guy who mainly posts about jews in the media and the harm n*****s are doing to America. Think Obama retweeting the work of a militant black nationalist.

CNN left messages for him to confirm the identity, not to request an apology. The guy realized the gig is up and wrote a long heartfelt apology. After posting the apology he called CNN back, confirmed his identity, and no doubt begged not to be outed for what he had done ("I have a gay black friend").

CNN, which was well within its rights to release his identity, said "Well, you seem sorry so we'll do you a solid and not release your name." (Implicitly agreeing that if the guy was lying all bets are off.) Alt right goes into a tizzy saying CNN is "blackmailing" him.

Now, CNN could have maybe idiot-proofed their wording, or just said they do not plan to release his name, but they did the guy a favor because he said he regretted his actions. Clear?
07-05-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Other than CSPAN all cable news sucks and always has.

There is no mass audience for 24 hours of different news stories. Instead of reporting on important things elsewhere, they have to pretend unimportant elements of the few stories they do cover are sensational.
So, Maddow sucks, Chris Hayes sucks, Fareed Zakaria sucks? I think these people put in heroic efforts but they apparently do not meet your standards? What would you regard as a good news show?
07-05-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Apparently that's not what CNN is saying they did, though the wording in their article is pretty explicit.

Greenwald's article on it pretty well covers it from the various angles and I co-sign everything he says:

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/05/...f-reddit-user/
Greenwald is not infrequently a disingenuous troll who cares more about point scoring than getting things right.
07-05-2017 , 02:34 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/882664411344891904

I didn't know she was all Trumpy.
07-05-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
They did. Stupid Trump tweets & statements = ratings.

I got a link to some of that guys awful posts on reddit. Gives you a full picture of who CNN was going after. Obv really awful stuff NSFW, its all text posts though. Not sure about 2+2 rules for this kinda thing so lemme know if I should remove links.

http://i.imgur com/w3Z7Yac.jpg
https://i.imgur com/XpNyS3v.png
It's not all text posts. He also made a poster of the pics of like 50 CNN employees with Stars of David next to them. CNN was not going after some rando internet troll, as Greenwald argues, they were looking for the identity of a white nationalist who basically threatened them and was retweeted by the president.
07-05-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
What's Claude Taylor's deal? I know Mensch has that Heat Street crap, so in theory I get it. What's his angle? Faves and retweets?
Claude has claimed to have worked for three different Clinton staffers and can't seem to keep straight which one it was.

This account purports to track Claude and Louise in their fraudulence (no idea who owns it) https://twitter.com/FraudeTaylor1
07-05-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
It's not all text posts. He also made a poster of the pics of like 50 CNN employees with Stars of David next to them. CNN was not going after some rando internet troll, as Greenwald argues, they were looking for the identity of a white nationalist who basically threatened them and was retweeted by the president.
Of course he is an internet troll. The fact that he is a really offensive troll doesn't elevate his importance.
07-05-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Of course he is an internet troll. The fact that he is a really offensive troll doesn't elevate his importance.
He's not newsworthy as an internet troll (not that newsworthiness is a requirement for speech to be protected under the 1st Amendment).

He's newsworthy because his work--the work of an internet troll and white nationalist--is the kind of thing that the President sees fit to retweet.


07-05-2017 , 02:59 PM
Here's another hot take for the Glenn Greenwald fanboys.



(Cruz's take is, of course, complete BS legally and factually. He's basically saying: if CNN murdered the guy, they could be liable for murder.)
07-05-2017 , 03:07 PM
Trump didn't retweet the .gif. I have no idea where he got it from, even assuming this jackass created it. For all I know, it was imbedded in 200 different twitter feeds by the time it came to Trump's attention.

But my main point is that CNN should not be devoting resources to reporting on the posting of some idiot on reddit, much less devoting resources to trying to influence his behavior (which won't work) or making editorial decisions based on whether the idiot makes some public show of contrition.
07-05-2017 , 03:08 PM
I just want to know what we're being distracted from at this point.
07-05-2017 , 03:10 PM
grunching a little but it irritates me that Han******Solo is not HanF*ckingSolo. How do you screw that up?
07-05-2017 , 03:12 PM
Already taken by a 6 year old account with 2 posts ever.

https://www.reddit.com/user/hanf*ckingsolo
07-05-2017 , 03:17 PM
man, 6 year olds really swear a lot these days. That's ****ed up
07-05-2017 , 03:21 PM
Han shot first
07-05-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Trump didn't retweet the .gif. I have no idea where he got it from, even assuming this jackass created it. For all I know, it was imbedded in 200 different twitter feeds by the time it came to Trump's attention.

But my main point is that CNN should not be devoting resources to reporting on the posting of some idiot on reddit, much less devoting resources to trying to influence his behavior (which won't work) or making editorial decisions based on whether the idiot makes some public show of contrition.
Resources CNN devoted: maybe an hour on google/FB by a smart internet savvy reporter, Andrew Kaczynski.

Ways in which CNN "tried to influence his behavior": none. He apologized before returning CNNs call to confirm his identity (which is completely standard for reporters).

Why CNN would be interested in his identity: He's an alt right guy with a history of white nationalist posting, including against CNN itself (identifying Jews who work for CNN), and who was retweeted by the President. The retweet alone is newsworthy, so is the fact that he is posting anti-semitic memes. Maybe just the CNN wrestling post alone is not, thankfully the 1st Amendment makes no distinction.

As for the "editorial decision". CNN very likely planned to publish his name. And the guy begged not to have his name released, CNN said. "Ok, we'll be super nice and not publish your name, but all bets are off if you're just bull****ting us with your fake apology. Again, this is after the guy "outed" a list of Jews who work at CNN.

Now, as a matter of optics, because it obviously confuses white nationalists who want their inflammatory and racist internet post to remain anonymous and are ashamed that one of their own folded like a little ***** when he was found out, CNN could have just said, "We've decided not to publish his name at this time." This would have had exactly the same practical meaning of what they did publish, but it would have removed the ability of people like Ted Cruz to disingenuously claim CNN was "blackmailing" him.
07-05-2017 , 03:44 PM
donald trump didn't retweet this hansolo guy, he just posted the image because it had already become a right wing derposphere meme.

lol @ CNN going after the creator of the image like he's anything special in a sea of alt-right trolls/******s. bigger lol @ accepting his "apology".

in the grand scheme, CNN is being super petty about this and it's not a good look for a multitude of reasons...least importantly that they pay trump surrogates to come onto the air and normalize policies of state sanctioned violence towards minorities, but want to break out the fainting couches over some stupid joke wrestling clip that has their logo. for all this "promoting violence against the press", i dont remember them getting half as upset when ben jacobs was literally chokeslammed by gianforte.

a greenwald fanboy, i most certainly am not. but he's right for once, this is some bull****.
07-05-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Here's another hot take for the Glenn Greenwald fanboys.



(Cruz's take is, of course, complete BS legally and factually. He's basically saying: if CNN murdered the guy, they could be liable for murder.)

So would Cruz believe that Trump committed a crime with his Mika/Morning Joe stuff?

      
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