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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
tl;dr, Mahr and Harris are trolls and only folks like FoldN or Wil really give a **** about them.
I don't know enough to comment on Harris, but I think if you watched Maher's show you'd change your mind. I'll admit that Maher has his Ann Coulteresque moments a tiny percentage of the time, but otherwise he's at Daily Show levels of hilarious. And IIRC he was indoctrinated with Catholicism (the one that systematically rapes little boys until they're old enough to fight back) so I cut him some slack with his hatred of religion.
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Originally Posted by Rococo
As I said before, if the Democrats intend to filibuster Gorsuch, they need better arguments than #FreeMerrick and #F--kTrump. Gorsuch is certainly not my choice, but he is exactly the sort of judge that any Republican candidate would have nominated. Trump is not out on a limb with this nomination and it will be impossible for Democrats to paint Gorsuch as unqualified or a buffoon. He is not Betsy Devos.
Here's a good argument: Trump is a birther, so all he's getting from us is Garland, a juice box, a helmet, and a padded room. Or a foot in his ass.
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Ok, srs question, is he misunderstood or is he a raging Islamophobe?
As a point of reference I'll say Bill Maher is misunderstood and I only know this from watching his show. Basically, 1, he's equally derisive towards all religions and, 2, the nature of the show doesn't really allow him to rehash all the premises each time Islam is brought up and make sure everyone is on the same page with the same context, so I don't really fault anybody for thinking Maher is a big fat Islamaphobe. The infamous episode that had the spat between him, Affleck, and Harris is a testament to this.
Reading that Harris blog post feels the same way. It's part common sense, duh, and part nonsensical gibberish but overall feels like I'm jumping in the middle of a conversation. Am I supposed to read his book or at least read all his earlier blog entries?
He's had some lolbad takes of interpreting Quranic scripture but I kinda want to give him another chance.
This is really troublesome:
5. If liberals who refuse to speak honestly on these topics continue to march with Islamists, denigrate free speech, and oppose the work of the real reformers in the Muslim community, they will only further provoke and empower Trump. And Trump, in turn, will empower Islamists the world over by threatening the civil liberties of all Muslims within his reach.
Every debate or argument I've had with an Islamaphobe included the notion, "If you want to just say BOO ISIS=BAD or BOO RADICAL ISLAMISIC TERRORISM=BAD you're not gonna get any pushback." There's not this secret cabal of ISIS supporters lurking about and quite frankly that bolded line is sophomoric nonsense.
p.s. Basically, he seems like he has an identical stance as mine but then will drop these lines that read like he's the exact opposite I'm arguing against. It's bizarre.
Good post. I'd guess Maher is slightly islamaphobic, but it doesn't make sense to hate on a guy because he's wrong once in a blue moon, especially when we can all agree that all religions are chock full of crazy.
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Micro,
I'm in my mid 40s. I know Democrats across a wide age range. Democrats who are engaged and younger than me seem more inclined to the views on this board -- that is, they think that maintaining norms is far secondary to fighting. Democrats who are engaged and older than me are, if anything, seem more attached to preserving norms than I am. They largely subscribe to Obama's view that there are consequences to election results.
I don't think that this skew says much of anything about who is right. But I find it interesting.
Let's talk about norms. Is it normal to be a birther for like a decade and then become president? That's like getting on flights every day for ten years and screaming "I have a bomb" 5 minutes before landing in NYC. So what do we "normally" give presidents that increased the chances of an Obama assassination?
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Originally Posted by einbert
One liberal to another liberal as they are being led to the concentration camps:
"Well, at least we didn't violate any democratic norms! Those Republicans are such hypocrites!"
lol A+
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I think we are talking past each other. I am arguing that Democrats should explain why they don't want Gorsuch, and point 1 should not be "Merrick Garland", and point 2 should not be "because Trump nominated him." Points 1-5 should relate to whether he, in fact, would be a good SCOTUS justice.
I don't mind if Democrats oppose him. I don't mind if they filibuster. But I want them to explain it and do it on policy grounds, not retributive grounds.
Trump's a ****ing birther. There's the explanation