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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-01-2017 , 05:27 PM
5ive,

The answer is that Harris and chytry are both raging Islamophobes.
02-01-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
HEADLINE: trump is decently popular among people so wildly uninformed they actually voted for trump
Headline... the post I was responding to was wildly misinformed about Trump's popularity so i outed his fake news.
02-01-2017 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I mean come on, do you actually believe that? do you actually think that this guy wont gladly and vigilantly do trumps and the right wings bidding?

utter naivety.

his vote in that case was bc obama was the president at the time. he wanted to restrict obamas power. just utter lol if you think he would restrict trump or the rw.
Not sure (how can anyone be?), I do know that SCOTUS judges do not turn out as expected and plenty have disappointed the Presidents that nominated them.

Last edited by seattlelou; 02-01-2017 at 05:34 PM.
02-01-2017 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Np completely silent about his dumb dilbert posts being debunked
I am not sure what you are referring to but I'll play when I have time.

Did he not get on the Trump bandwagon when all the experts here were betting their life savings in the Hildog lock of the century?
02-01-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Not sure (how can you be?), I do know that SCOTUS judges do not turn out as expected and plenty have disappointed the Presidents that nominated them.
bc trump picked him and repubs love him.
02-01-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
Did he not get on the Trump bandwagon when all the experts here were betting their life savings in the Hildog lock of the century?
Less than a month before the election he said "Hillary will win easily" and endorsed Gary Johnson. He's a ****ing crank who was so all over the map that he could have claimed to be right no matter what wound up happening. It's not a good reflection of you that you look to him for expertise.
02-01-2017 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
First of all Trump is perfectly legit according to the United State's Constitution and that is all that matters in this country and you saying he isn't is just silly. You may not like him nor his policies, but according to our laws he is the legitimate President of the USA. End of story. Your team lost the election played under the established rules. You weren't robbed or had the election stolen.
Arguments like this are annoying because Trump is currently destroying that constitution and refusing to follow established rules from the judicial branch.
02-01-2017 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
I didn't use it as a defense of republicans... I merely stated the fact that the only internment camps in recent history came into being by an executive order by the all time favorite of the left FDR and that is a fact!

And no.... I am not an anarchist :-)

Facts are damn nasty things
Actually you said internment of "Americans", which made it accurate. Now as you state it w/o "Americans" it's not quite right. We put hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese in camps 30 years later. (mostly under a Democratic administration I think.)

Also more recent than the Japanese internment were the Displaced Persons camps where Jews were kept after the war, some of them until 1952.

Also Dems were the party of Slavery and Segregation until the Civil Rights Act.

The parties have changed in a lot of ways. And now the Republican party is like a billion times more fascist and currently has people locked up solely because of their nation of origin and religion.
02-01-2017 , 05:34 PM
On judicial delay...

Rs let dozens of judges go unconfirmed in last two years of Clinton's presidency

Dems let dozens of judges go unconfirmed in last two years of Bush's presidency

Rs let dozens of judges go unconfirmed in last two years of Obama's presidency

its a tradition... however before the last few years of a presidency it is very hard to block nominees, they eventually get through. this is the key difference between Garland and Gorsuch, we are not at the tail end of a Presidential term and it is immensely more difficult to block Gorsuch, and many Dems realize this and don't want to spend their political capital on a likely to fail effort.
02-01-2017 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
Hmmm... According to the RCP Presidential Job Approval he sits at -1.9% (44.3/46.2) almost precisely the popular vote differential. I am not sure how that translates to "very unpopular". Maybe very unpopular in your mind or in the minds on this board.
AFAIK, Trump is historically the WORST in terms of polls at this point, AINEC. -9 on Gallup, FWIW.

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First of all Trump is perfectly legit according to the United State's Constitution and that is all that matters in this country and you saying he isn't is just silly. You may not like him nor his policies, but according to our laws he is the legitimate President of the USA. End of story. Your team lost the election played under the established rules. You weren't robbed or had the election stolen.

As to the rest of your hyperventilation, plz call me when we invade Iran or FDR is reincarnated and people with funny (non lily white) colored skin are put in concentration camps.....
Other than Putin/Russian interference that favored him, possible collusion with a foreign government to influence the election in his favor, illegal FBI actions that favored him, emoluments violations, nepotism, etc. Other than those details, I have to agree, he is PERFECTLY LEGIT. "Played under the established rules" ... gtfo


This much I'll give: according to events as they've happened so far, he is President. The Constitution is not all that matters. It's enforcement is what matters.

Last edited by Max Cut; 02-01-2017 at 05:43 PM.
02-01-2017 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
tl;dr, Mahr and Harris are trolls and only folks like FoldN or Wil really give a **** about them.
I don't know enough to comment on Harris, but I think if you watched Maher's show you'd change your mind. I'll admit that Maher has his Ann Coulteresque moments a tiny percentage of the time, but otherwise he's at Daily Show levels of hilarious. And IIRC he was indoctrinated with Catholicism (the one that systematically rapes little boys until they're old enough to fight back) so I cut him some slack with his hatred of religion.

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Originally Posted by Rococo
As I said before, if the Democrats intend to filibuster Gorsuch, they need better arguments than #FreeMerrick and #F--kTrump. Gorsuch is certainly not my choice, but he is exactly the sort of judge that any Republican candidate would have nominated. Trump is not out on a limb with this nomination and it will be impossible for Democrats to paint Gorsuch as unqualified or a buffoon. He is not Betsy Devos.
Here's a good argument: Trump is a birther, so all he's getting from us is Garland, a juice box, a helmet, and a padded room. Or a foot in his ass.

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Originally Posted by 5ive
Ok, srs question, is he misunderstood or is he a raging Islamophobe?

As a point of reference I'll say Bill Maher is misunderstood and I only know this from watching his show. Basically, 1, he's equally derisive towards all religions and, 2, the nature of the show doesn't really allow him to rehash all the premises each time Islam is brought up and make sure everyone is on the same page with the same context, so I don't really fault anybody for thinking Maher is a big fat Islamaphobe. The infamous episode that had the spat between him, Affleck, and Harris is a testament to this.

Reading that Harris blog post feels the same way. It's part common sense, duh, and part nonsensical gibberish but overall feels like I'm jumping in the middle of a conversation. Am I supposed to read his book or at least read all his earlier blog entries?

He's had some lolbad takes of interpreting Quranic scripture but I kinda want to give him another chance.

This is really troublesome:

5. If liberals who refuse to speak honestly on these topics continue to march with Islamists, denigrate free speech, and oppose the work of the real reformers in the Muslim community, they will only further provoke and empower Trump. And Trump, in turn, will empower Islamists the world over by threatening the civil liberties of all Muslims within his reach.



Every debate or argument I've had with an Islamaphobe included the notion, "If you want to just say BOO ISIS=BAD or BOO RADICAL ISLAMISIC TERRORISM=BAD you're not gonna get any pushback." There's not this secret cabal of ISIS supporters lurking about and quite frankly that bolded line is sophomoric nonsense.


p.s. Basically, he seems like he has an identical stance as mine but then will drop these lines that read like he's the exact opposite I'm arguing against. It's bizarre.
Good post. I'd guess Maher is slightly islamaphobic, but it doesn't make sense to hate on a guy because he's wrong once in a blue moon, especially when we can all agree that all religions are chock full of crazy.

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Originally Posted by Rococo
Micro,

I'm in my mid 40s. I know Democrats across a wide age range. Democrats who are engaged and younger than me seem more inclined to the views on this board -- that is, they think that maintaining norms is far secondary to fighting. Democrats who are engaged and older than me are, if anything, seem more attached to preserving norms than I am. They largely subscribe to Obama's view that there are consequences to election results.

I don't think that this skew says much of anything about who is right. But I find it interesting.
Let's talk about norms. Is it normal to be a birther for like a decade and then become president? That's like getting on flights every day for ten years and screaming "I have a bomb" 5 minutes before landing in NYC. So what do we "normally" give presidents that increased the chances of an Obama assassination?

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Originally Posted by einbert
One liberal to another liberal as they are being led to the concentration camps:
"Well, at least we didn't violate any democratic norms! Those Republicans are such hypocrites!"
lol A+

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Originally Posted by Rococo
I think we are talking past each other. I am arguing that Democrats should explain why they don't want Gorsuch, and point 1 should not be "Merrick Garland", and point 2 should not be "because Trump nominated him." Points 1-5 should relate to whether he, in fact, would be a good SCOTUS justice.

I don't mind if Democrats oppose him. I don't mind if they filibuster. But I want them to explain it and do it on policy grounds, not retributive grounds.
Trump's a ****ing birther. There's the explanation
02-01-2017 , 05:40 PM
Democrats are useless ****ing cowards.

DeVos confirmed, 52-47
02-01-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
Hmmm... According to the RCP Presidential Job Approval he sits at -1.9% (44.3/46.2) almost precisely the popular vote differential. I am not sure how that translates to "very unpopular". Maybe very unpopular in your mind or in the minds on this board.


Your ignorance knows no bounds
02-01-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
On judicial delay...

Rs let dozens of judges go unconfirmed in last two years of Clinton's presidency

Dems let dozens of judges go unconfirmed in last two years of Bush's presidency

Rs let dozens of judges go unconfirmed in last two years of Obama's presidency

its a tradition... however before the last few years of a presidency it is very hard to block nominees, they eventually get through. this is the key difference between Garland and Gorsuch, we are not at the tail end of a Presidential term and it is immensely more difficult to block Gorsuch, and many Dems realize this and don't want to spend their political capital on a likely to fail effort.
Dems have no political capital. The only question to ask is what move will play best in 2018 and 2020? Nothing else matters.
02-01-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
Or spend his time talking to the family of the fallen SEAL venting about it.
Captures trump perfectly.
02-01-2017 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
Democrats are useless ****ing cowards.

DeVos confirmed, 52-47
DeVos has NOT been confirmed. The 52-47 vote is to advance the nomination to a Senate vote. The actual vote on her confirmation will likely not take place until early next week.
02-01-2017 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer


Your ignorance knows no bounds
Joke's on you, he's talking about RCP average which includes lolrasmussen skewing everything rightward

I'm not convinced he's not actually Scott Adams irl based on posting history
02-01-2017 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Joke's on you, he's talking about RCP average which includes lolrasmussen skewing everything rightward

I'm not convinced he's not actually Scott Adams irl based on posting history
Substitute those numbers with RCP average and previous presidents still couldn't touch Trump's unpopularity
02-01-2017 , 06:00 PM
It's pretty crucial that Trump gets less and less popular. Him crossing x% is a tipping point high or low in terms of impeachment or fascism.
02-01-2017 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Trump had every black person he has ever met in the room for that abortion of a black history speech
If we're lucky, maybe his speeches will be covered in the impending ban.
02-01-2017 , 06:01 PM
np, again, will you even feel a little bit of shame for being completely wrong? Or will you just keep calling out other posters who disagree with you but post facts "fake news?"
02-01-2017 , 06:03 PM
Did anyone watch the spicer press briefing today? Wondering if any reporter had enough ball sack to ask about the "ban". Trump tweeted about argument over calling it a ban and said "call it what you want".
02-01-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
...and many Dems realize this and don't want to spend their political capital on a likely to fail effort.
What does "political capital" even mean anymore? If voters want you to obstruct, and if the other side has shown they have no interest in compromising, political capital doesn't really exist anymore, does it? At least in this context, I think the answer is clearly no, it doesn't.
02-01-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
Did he not get on the Trump bandwagon when all the experts here were betting their life savings in the Hildog lock of the century?
02-01-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Did anyone watch the spicer press briefing today? Wondering if any reporter had enough ball sack to ask about the "ban". Trump tweeted about argument over calling it a ban and said "call it what you want".
I did see a clip of Spicer answer a reporter's question about Trump's vexing Frederick Douglass comment and it was readily apparent that Spicer had no idea who the **** Douglass was, either, or that he was even dead.

      
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