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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-01-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
Meanwhile, Russia is taking over Ukraine. Trump silent.
I assume we'll be blocking Ukrainian refugees once that goes down.
02-01-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
One liberal to another liberal as they are being led to the concentration camps:
"Well, at least we didn't violate any democratic norms! Those Republicans are such hypocrites!"
Where do you guys come up with this ****, honestly. There should actually be a Chicken Little Thread on this board!

The only Americans led to concentration camps in recent history were led by the Regime of FDR with his huge majorities in both the house and senate. And to quote that great american philosopher Stephon Marbury... "And that's factorial!"
02-01-2017 , 04:25 PM
Np completely silent about his dumb dilbert posts being debunked
02-01-2017 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Mr Spicer! How many hole in ones did President Trump hit this morning?
only 9 because he was very busy and his Trump Valley Golf Estate is one of the most challenging courses ever built
02-01-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Eagle
So who gets charged with murder, Trump, Bannon or Miller? This family's story is enraging.

Fake news!!!!

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...33053942-story
02-01-2017 , 04:32 PM
02-01-2017 , 04:43 PM
This whole Supreme Court thing is such a perfect example of how much better the Republicans are at falling in line.

Like, literally within hours of Scalia's death, the Republican leaders were already making statements about blocking the seat. Just assuming all Republicans would get on board and shutting down any talk of dissent immediately. And they had no way of knowing Scalia's seat would be open beforehand!

Now, the Democrats have had ample time to prepare and we get different senators saying different things and wishy washy internal arguments about idealistic norms of yesteryear.

One of the many reasons the Republicans were able to get away with blocking Garland so easily was because of the immediacy of the decision. They were never going to vote on him. End of story. Now you media donkeys can get back to covering the American Carnage, errr election, tyvm. I wonder what percentage of Americans even know wtf a Merrick Garland is.

Contrast that to now, where we have 'FIGHT BREWING, WILL DEMOCRATS CHOOSE TO OBSTRUCT GORSUCH?!' And instead of Obama doing ~nothing we have Trump already coming out forcefully urging the Republicans to nuke the fillibuster if necessary.
02-01-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
Where do you guys come up with this ****, honestly. There should actually be a Chicken Little Thread on this board!

The only Americans led to concentration camps in recent history were led by the Regime of FDR with his huge majorities in both the house and senate. And to quote that great american philosopher Stephon Marbury... "And that's factorial!"
You don't get to use that as a defense of Republicans. They supported Japanese internment.

Are you an Anarchist? If so, maybe you can take the high ground there.
02-01-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
This whole Supreme Court thing is such a perfect example of how much better the Republicans are at falling in line.

Like, literally within hours of Scalia's death, the Republican leaders were already making statements about blocking the seat. Just assuming all Republicans would get on board and shutting down any talk of dissent immediately. And they had no way of knowing Scalia's seat would be open beforehand!

Now, the Democrats have had ample time to prepare and we get different senators saying different things and wishy washy internal arguments about idealistic norms of yesteryear.

One of the many reasons the Republicans were able to get away with blocking Garland so easily was because of the immediacy of the decision. They were never going to vote on him. End of story. Now you media donkeys can get back to covering the American Carnage, errr election, tyvm. I wonder what percentage of Americans even know wtf a Merrick Garland is.

Contrast that to now, where we have 'FIGHT BREWING, WILL DEMOCRATS CHOOSE TO OBSTRUCT GORSUCH?!' And instead of Obama doing ~nothing we have Trump already coming out forcefully urging the Republicans to nuke the fillibuster if necessary.
The other half is that Republicans should not fall in line. If McCain and his ilk cave under pressure, they should be treated just like Trump.

In a perfect world people can be reasonable. In this world don't talk about moderate Republicans.
02-01-2017 , 04:51 PM
Really feel like the DeVos nom is a head fake..."let the Dems knock one down and have a meaningless victory..." in the meantime, Sessions gets confirmed.
02-01-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'll try to make this my last post about norms, but at the risk of coming across like Sklansky, I have a question.

If there were some subtle, magical way to restrict access to the vote for some demographic (let's say, rural white men) that tends to vote Republican, would you be OK with doing so? After all, that's what the GOP has done to black people for decades.

I think that the GOP's tactics on voting access are repulsive, but my answer is no. And I think that everyone's answer should be no, because voting access is too precious a norm to erode just for the sake of winning an election.
yes absolutely. emphatically yes yes yes.

the thing is, you just dont get it. democracy is dead. you cant go back. never in the history of our govt, and really any govt, has it ceded power. the federal govt has only gained power.

and now we have an authoritarian govt.

so the question is, would you rather have a right wing, white-power, isolationist, regressive christian authoritarian govt? or a liberal, inclusive, progressive authoritarian govt?

Ill take my chances on anything but the first one.

but we are never gonna go back to the old ways.
02-01-2017 , 04:55 PM
Here's a reason to not filibuster this time: it will be easier to defeat the nuclear option for a worse nominee. As we've just seen with DeVos, it is possible to peel Republicans if the nominee is bad enough. And if you're saying that if they have the votes for worse nominee they'll have the votes for nuclear, it's always going to be harder to support bad nominee + nuclear than bad nominee on his own.
02-01-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Ok, srs question, is he misunderstood or is he a raging Islamophobe?

As a point of reference I'll say Bill Maher is misunderstood and I only know this from watching his show. Basically, 1, he's equally derisive towards all religions and, 2, the nature of the show doesn't really allow him to rehash all the premises each time Islam is brought up and make sure everyone is on the same page with the same context, so I don't really fault anybody for thinking Maher is a big fat Islamaphobe. The infamous episode that had the spat between him, Affleck, and Harris is a testament to this.

Reading that Harris blog post feels the same way. It's part common sense, duh, and part nonsensical gibberish but overall feels like I'm jumping in the middle of a conversation. Am I supposed to read his book or at least read all his earlier blog entries?

He's had some lolbad takes of interpreting Quranic scripture but I kinda want to give him another chance.

This is really troublesome:

5. If liberals who refuse to speak honestly on these topics continue to march with Islamists, denigrate free speech, and oppose the work of the real reformers in the Muslim community, they will only further provoke and empower Trump. And Trump, in turn, will empower Islamists the world over by threatening the civil liberties of all Muslims within his reach.



Every debate or argument I've had with an Islamaphobe included the notion, "If you want to just say BOO ISIS=BAD or BOO RADICAL ISLAMISIC TERRORISM=BAD you're not gonna get any pushback." There's not this secret cabal of ISIS supporters lurking about and quite frankly that bolded line is sophomoric nonsense.


p.s. Basically, he seems like he has an identical stance as mine but then will drop these lines that read like he's the exact opposite I'm arguing against. It's bizarre.
Islamism is a much bigger and older problem than just ISIS, or even islamic terrorism.

What Harris is speaking against is pro islamist nonsense like this recent article masquerading as an enlightened opinion.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lim-non-muslim

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Instead of criminalising clothing in public institutions they could promote an open dialogue about Islam and its traditions in such places.
Let's have an open dialogue
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A culturally sensitive policy would emphasise education about the differences between true Islamic teachings and the doctrines of movements such as Islamic State.
So clearly not an open dialogue.

As for true teachings, this is why we have a civil war between sunni and shia in the first place.

Last edited by chytry; 02-01-2017 at 05:10 PM.
02-01-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Really feel like the DeVos nom is a head fake..."let the Dems knock one down and have a meaningless victory..." in the meantime, Sessions gets confirmed.
I said this last night about the "head fake" thing you posted regarding the 4D chess move of signing the ban while "quietly" putting Bannon on the NSC, and it applies just as equally to this post:

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
This seems like insane FPS analysis to me. The Bannon to NSC thing was reported on, and what's the implication of this article, that if only people weren't too busy protesting in the streets over the immigration ban they would be protesting in the streets about Bannon on the NSC, rising up to stop it from happening? Get out of here, that **** is way too wonky for people to protest, if it's legal then it was always going to happen anyway and never be opposed anyway no matter how they chose to do it.
You're giving this incompetent administration entirely too much credit.
02-01-2017 , 05:00 PM

02-01-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The other half is that Republicans should not fall in line. If McCain and his ilk cave under pressure, they should be treated just like Trump.

In a perfect world people can be reasonable. In this world don't talk about moderate Republicans.
LOL how would McCain be caving?

McCain "Gorsuch is a good choice"

Dems "we won't let anyone be appointed for the next 4 years"

Like what he is supposed to agree with that and it would be caving if he does not?
02-01-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Trump is very unpopular.
Hmmm... According to the RCP Presidential Job Approval he sits at -1.9% (44.3/46.2) almost precisely the popular vote differential. I am not sure how that translates to "very unpopular". Maybe very unpopular in your mind or in the minds on this board.


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Originally Posted by einbert
Don't make this too complicated and you can easily win popular support. You're doing this to fight Trump who is not legitimate and stand up for the people of the United States against fascism. ****ing take a stand. If not now, then when, Jesus Christ? When we're sending ground troops into Iran? When we're putting Muslims into concentration camps, I guess we can say "at least they did this through the system."
First of all Trump is perfectly legit according to the United State's Constitution and that is all that matters in this country and you saying he isn't is just silly. You may not like him nor his policies, but according to our laws he is the legitimate President of the USA. End of story. Your team lost the election played under the established rules. You weren't robbed or had the election stolen.

As to the rest of your hyperventilation, plz call me when we invade Iran or FDR is reincarnated and people with funny (non lily white) colored skin are put in concentration camps.....
02-01-2017 , 05:11 PM
HEADLINE: trump is decently popular among people so wildly uninformed they actually voted for trump
02-01-2017 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
The seat is gone. It's 5-4. Maybe you hold out for a year until they can change the confirmation rules to make it filibuster proof, and then it's 5-4. Maybe that's worth it? Idk, someone make the case based on what's gonna get heard this year.

But you're not saving the seat. There's no world where Merrick Garland comes riding in like Gandalf the White to make it a liberal majority. All that matters is what wins votes in 2018 and 2020.
What if the Dems came out and said, "You blocked Merrick Garland for 11 months. We're going to block Neil Gorsuch for 11 months, you can either schedule the hearings for December 21, go nuclear, or give us some incentive to allow the vote now."

Upside: A 4-4 court is better than a 5-4 court, and there could be vital cases coming in the not too distant future over Trump executive orders. You might get something back - like a cabinet nominee being replaced. If Kennedy/RBG resigns or passes away in the next 11 months, you can attempt to negotiate a moderate SCOTUS justice getting a nomination and immediate up/down votes on both. It's an insurance policy.

Downside: They could just go nuclear, but they would have done that within the next four years anyway and it's sort of a freeroll for Dems in the future. You could lose credibility with a lot of Americans (most of them already thing your politicians are running child sex rings in DC pizza shops, though, so wtf cares?).
02-01-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
I'll turn the question back around to you.

If Republicans in 2024 are campaigning on literal Nazism including mass genocide and polls showed a 50-50 split, and also you were aware that they have successfully restricted the black vote over the last 8 years even more than they already have, would you support a magical way to restrict the vote for rural white men?
haha. this gets to the point better than my post.
02-01-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
This opinion piece asserts that Gorusch's view that executive power is limited might be a gift to the Dem's. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.465f738b459f
I mean come on, do you actually believe that? do you actually think that this guy wont gladly and vigilantly do trumps and the right wings bidding?

utter naivety.

his vote in that case was bc obama was the president at the time. he wanted to restrict obamas power. just utter lol if you think he would restrict trump or the rw.
02-01-2017 , 05:23 PM
Devos wouldn't even be a loss for Trump, more so for establishment GOP. But regardless, they are going to pull together enough for a tie and Pence will put her in.
02-01-2017 , 05:23 PM
I'm not sure I'm ready to commit to an answer on that .Alex. post, but violent revolution is more American imo than voter disenfranchisement. Obviously that's not true in the historical sense of what America has done, but in the love of freedom and liberty sense.
02-01-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
You don't get to use that as a defense of Republicans. They supported Japanese internment.

Are you an Anarchist? If so, maybe you can take the high ground there.
I didn't use it as a defense of republicans... I merely stated the fact that the only internment camps in recent history came into being by an executive order by the all time favorite of the left FDR and that is a fact!

And no.... I am not an anarchist :-)

Facts are damn nasty things
02-01-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
Devos wouldn't even be a loss for Trump, more so for establishment GOP. But regardless, they are going to pull together enough for a tie and Pence will put her in.
Having said that, his ego will take a hit I guess, and he will go into twitter rampage mode I'm sure. Or spend his time talking to the family of the fallen SEAL venting about it.

      
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