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07-02-2017 , 06:42 PM

#43401

simplicitus

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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e70...mpcare-edition

07-02-2017 , 06:54 PM

#43402

prana

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

A Reddit user who wrote about stabbing Muslims is claiming credit for Trump’s CNN video

The tweet from the President speaks for itself. It speaks for itself damn it!

07-02-2017 , 07:23 PM

#43403

Our House

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It's a wonder that Trump is still alive. Anyone else surprised?

07-02-2017 , 07:24 PM

#43404

simplicitus

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Keep covering the tweets. They are showing low info voters who Trump is over time and his numbers will continue to slide and his agenda will continue to be crippled.

07-02-2017 , 07:26 PM

#43405

Rococo

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What cuse is suggesting is reasonable, at least as a flexible, aspirational benchmark. It is also wildly different from what DisGunBGud was proposing.

07-02-2017 , 07:29 PM

#43406

simplicitus

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Our house, you need to apply Trump's razor a lot more often. He's not intentionally covering up Russia news by proving hes a psychopathic moron. He's just a psychopathic moron. It took a year after the Senate hearings until Nixon was out. Will take as long for trump. I give him 12 months from now, even though recent news shows his campaign tried to collude. We're on Mueller time, and he's not rash.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ency-ends.html

07-02-2017 , 07:30 PM

#43407

aflametotheground

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

It's a wonder that Trump is still alive. Anyone else surprised?

i think if he wasnt rich he would likely be in prison or in a mental institution.

07-02-2017 , 07:32 PM

#43408

JoltinJake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Trump is not using a new strategy. It is a well established propaganda technique. We know what it is and how to resist it. Simply ignore the distractions and focus on the issues.

Yeah, the problem is that distraction propaganda works.

The media is never going to ignore the distractions. Too hard to get that many people on board. Too easy to watch the show. And, at the end of the day, it's good for the bottom line.

The one group of people who could maybe help shift the narrative is Democratic leaders. In particular, the next Democratic nominee must resist the temptation to spend time on these circus antics. And -- this part is critical -- he/she should chide the media for doing it.

"Why are we spending so much time talking about Trump's childish tweets? He's trying to distract us. Let's talk about things people really care about, like the economy."

History shows the way to beat authoritarian figures like Trump is to focus relentlessly on policy. But it's not as easy as it seems.

07-02-2017 , 07:38 PM

#43409

jjshabado

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I'm posting at Clovis' indignance. Figured you could handle the overspray.

Hah I know. Just wanted to get a dig in back.

07-02-2017 , 07:42 PM

#43410

jjshabado

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Was serious. And surprised. Walking, escalator and all related etiquette in the US is right-sided and I figured over there it'd be left-sided. I spent a few weeks there a long time ago and don't recall or didn't notice.

It was a huge pet peeve of mine when I was visiting that there seemed to be no standard social norm for walking down the street.

07-02-2017 , 07:44 PM

#43411

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

Keep covering the tweets. They are showing low info voters who Trump is over time and his numbers will continue to slide and his agenda will continue to be crippled.

true fact: low-info friend who once held the opinion of "give trump a chance" told me this week: i used to think trump was a tough successful businessman but now he seems like childish idiot in way over his head.

i feel like trump's tweets drive this narrative better than any tv show or newspaper

07-02-2017 , 07:47 PM

#43412

Cotton Hill

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The media's inability to properly understand troll'ish, meme'ish internet culture is one of their biggest downfalls in the modern era. Hearing them awkwardly try to explain what an animated gif is embarrassing.

07-02-2017 , 07:53 PM

#43413

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Originally Posted by iron81

Now we need someone to make a meme of Trump on his knees blowing Putin's body with a Russia head on it.

07-02-2017 , 07:57 PM

#43414

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Nor did Nixon’s base ever desert him. At the nadir of Watergate, Nixon’s approval rating fell to 27 percent; by the time he resigned, that number had dropped to 24 percent. In other words, at least a quarter of the American populace had no problem telling pollsters that they were still behind a president who had lied repeatedly and engaged in unambiguously criminal conspiracies. They still saw Nixon as “one of us,” as he billed himself on posters in his first House run in 1946, and as a fighter who took on “them” — essentially the same elites that Trump inveighs against today.

Trump’s base is roughly the same size as Nixon’s then, or only a shade less. At FiveThirtyEight, Nate Silver quantifies that base as voters who “strongly approve” of Trump, a figure that peaked at 30 after the Inaugural and had dropped to 21 to 22 percent by late May. They will no more abandon Trump than their parents and grandparents did Nixon. If anything, Trump’s ascent has once more confirmed that this constituency is a permanent factor in the American political equation. Should Trump follow Nixon into ignominy, that base may in time rally around a more cunning and durable Trump — a new Nixon, if you will. He will be far scarier than an understudy like Pence, who is unlikely to survive his association with a tainted president any longer than Ford did (if even that long). Future Democrats may be just as ineffectual at stopping the next right-wing populist before he (or she) lands in the White House, but that’s a depression for another day.

What finally did in Nixon — besides himself — is what will do in Trump: not the Democrats, or a turncoat base, or brave GOP leaders. “Historians have written that Nixon was persuaded to resign after the arrival at the White House on Wednesday, August 7, of a delegation from the Hill — Senator Barry Goldwater, Senate Minority Leader Hugh Scott, and House Minority Leader John Rhodes — to tell him he must go,” writes Pat Buchanan in his memoir. “This is myth.” Nixon’s collapse was well under way by then, from the ground up. With the midterms growing ever nearer, garden-variety GOP officeholders, most of them as cowardly as today’s, started to flee. The House Judiciary Committee voted on an article of impeachment on July 27, three days after a unanimous 8-0 Supreme Court, including three Nixon appointees, ruled that the president would have to turn over the White House tapes. Even then there was wavering. The ten Republicans who voted “No” on all the impeachment articles in committee would switch their votes only after the August 5 release of the “smoking gun” (a new coinage then) — the transcript of a June 23, 1972, tape showing that Nixon had ordered the facts of the Watergate break-in to be covered up six days after it happened despite his repeated public protestations otherwise. One congressman who didn’t bolt even then, Earl Landgrebe, regarded such revelations as fake news (“Don’t confuse me with the facts”), telling the Today show hours before Nixon resigned that he was “sticking with my president even if he and I have to be carried out of this building and shot.” Landgrebe hailed from Indiana’s Second Congressional District, which decades later would send Mike Pence to the House.

As Buchanan and Nixon’s speechwriter Raymond Price (in his 1977 memoir, With Nixon) attested, the president’s resignation speech was already in hand by the time Goldwater & Co. visited the White House on August 7. Rather than the importuning of noble Republican elders, it was the stampede of defections that followed the revelation of the smoking gun that finally convinced him he could not numerically survive a trial in the Senate. By then, it was too late for some of his congressional backers to leap into the lifeboats. On Election Day that November, the GOP would lose four seats in the Senate and 49 in the House. Typical of the losers was Charles Sandman Jr., from New Jersey’s still solidly red second district, which in 2016 voted for Trump over Clinton by a margin of five percentage points. In 1972, Sandman had beaten his Democratic opponent by 23 percentage points; in 1974, after remaining a loyal anti-impeachment advocate until the final week of Nixon’s presidency, he lost by 16 points.

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07-02-2017 , 08:06 PM

#43415

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

It's a wonder that Trump is still alive. Anyone else surprised?

Not really and I wouldn't want him to die. I simply want one clean shot right into that cock.sucker mouth of his. He's clearly never taken a punch and needs one. You'd be suprised at the humbling something as simple as that would create.

In before R's call foul for condoning violence Lololol

07-02-2017 , 08:12 PM

#43416

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cotton Hill

Median age of a CNN viewer is about 61. FOX about 69. And half the audience is older than that. Maybe it's the audience they are catering to.

07-02-2017 , 08:33 PM

#43417

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Originally Posted by JoltinJake

I agree with this.

Say "His tweet was pathetic BUT the GOP is trying to kill millions of Americans to give tax breaks to the top .1%. That's what we should focus on..."

Non stop. Go on shows and redirect every question to healthcare and tax cuts.

07-02-2017 , 08:36 PM

#43418

stinkubus

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I can't think of a single reason the media would want to throw shade on tax cuts for the wealthy. They people who own and run the outlets are wealthy.

07-02-2017 , 08:41 PM

#43419

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Yep it never ends. Justice Department's Corporate Crime Watchdog Resigns.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-cap...makes-it?amp=1

Quote:

“Trying to hold companies to standards that our current administration is not living up to was creating a cognitive dissonance that I could not overcome," Chen wrote. “To sit across the table from companies and question how committed they were to ethics and compliance felt not only hypocritical, but very much like shuffling the deck chair on the Titanic. Even as I engaged in those questioning and evaluations, on my mind were the numerous lawsuits pending against the President of the United States for everything from violations of the Constitution to conflict of interest, the ongoing investigations of potentially treasonous conducts, and the investigators and prosecutors fired for their pursuits of principles and facts. Those are conducts I would not tolerate seeing in a company, yet I worked under an administration that engaged in exactly those conduct. I wanted no more part in it.”

07-02-2017 , 08:55 PM

#43420

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Some perspective for the bed wetters:

Quote:

Almost 60 percent of Americans disapprove of the job President Trump is doing, according to Gallup's daily tracking poll.

The disapproval rating, 57 percent, is slightly lower than when Trump reached record disapproval of 60 percent during mid-June, according to the poll.

Between the disapproval and approval ratings, there is a 20-percentage-point difference, with 37 percent of those surveyed in the latest poll saying they approve of the job Trump is doing.

The approval rating is also near the daily poll’s record low mark of 35 percent that occurred in late March.

The past two Democratic presidents, former President Barack Obama and former President Bill Clinton, never faced a 60 percent disapproval in the Gallup survey.

Former President George W. Bush reached the 60 percent disapproval mark after almost five years in office.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-at-57-percent

07-02-2017 , 09:03 PM

#43421

RowdyOne

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trump taking down cnn is AWESSUUUMMMMME ;.
AHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAH

07-02-2017 , 09:46 PM

#43422

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RowdyOne

trump taking down cnn is AWESSUUUMMMMME ;.

AHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAH

This guy posted 40+ times in like 12 minutes after not posting for over a year

Hola comrade.

07-02-2017 , 10:11 PM

#43423

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There is a reason republican politicians dont want him to tweet. It hurts him and them. Instead of talking about and pushing their policies they have to answer why small hands donnie is in a tweet fight with someting or another. With that said it would be better if the media didn't obsess on them. But dont not cover them...