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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-02-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I think it's tempting to believe that there's one trick the media could pull to stop Trump.
There is no one trick to stop him but they can stop helping him by ignoring his distractions.

Trump is not using a new strategy. It is a well established propaganda technique. We know what it is and how to resist it. Simply ignore the distractions and focus on the issues.

This is not a trick, its good journalism.
07-02-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
The idea of not using his name or calling them unnamed sources is silly.

My point is the reason we discuss something is if it has content. Trump's tweets contain no policy content at all. They are not treated as direction from anyone in the world including his own party or staff. They are the definition of meaningless.

They serve only three purposes, two of which are stupid and one which is a cancer to democracy.

They serve to rile his base and show how tough he is.
They serve to fule indignation in his opponents.
The truely cancerous one is the way they distract from the serious issues at hand.

Some argue they are from the president so we must pay attention but they are making a logical failure in applying the standard rules of the presidency to Trump.

I can think of only one example where his tweets played ANY role in the world; when they hurt him on his travel ban case.

Otherwise, they are totally and completely content free, mean nothing, have no force and effect and serve only to district people from serious issues.

What is value in posting his every piggish tweet? Is it new information that he is a disgusting awful human?
Whether there should be less coverage of tweets that have nothing to do with policy is a much closer question, especially if you think that news outlets, by reporting on those tweets, unknowingly make themselves complicit in Trump' s efforts to divert attention from policy. To me, this smacks of the old argument that Trump is playing 4D chess when I suspect that be doesn't even know the rules of chess, but I can see the other side.

The counterargument is that Trump's constant disrespect towards minorities and woman, and his obviously unsuitable temperament, are themselves news stories.
07-02-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo

The counterargument is that Trump's constant disrespect towards minorities and woman, and his obviously unsuitable temperament, are themselves news stories.
this would be like the media running a story every day that Trump is rich. It's not news anymore. It's well established fact.

The media has two choices, another story among thousands of Trump being a pig or coverage of the health care bill, deregulation, Sessions attempts to criminalize being a minority or the gutting of climate change policy.

There are only so many minutes in a broadcast or inches in a column. Do we need more reminding the world Trump is a pig?
07-02-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
So when ratings inevitably drop because ppl want to see Trump Tweet coverage, what then?
trump is a ratings machine
07-02-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
trump is a ratings machine
I hear this all the time. Is there actually evidence it is true?
07-02-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
So what is the answer to my question?
Your question is loaded to get a particular answer. Nice try. You should have asked yourself why I ignored it and you wouldn't need this response.
07-02-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I hear this all the time. Is there actually evidence it is true?
The Apprentice was the 67th highest rated show his last year as host.
07-02-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
this would be like the media running a story every day that Trump is rich. It's not news anymore. It's well established fact.
Suppose that Trump issues the following tweet tomorrow morning:

"Dems should have known better than to nominate an old hag with a chunky ass. #MAGA"

Reportable event or not?

I suspect that there would be little debate about the answer to this question if even 30% of the regular posters in this thread were women.
07-02-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
There is no one trick to stop him but they can stop helping him by ignoring his distractions.

Trump is not using a new strategy. It is a well established propaganda technique. We know what it is and how to resist it. Simply ignore the distractions and focus on the issues.

This is not a trick, its good journalism.
This is what I was ultimately getting at but we disagree on how to accomplish that which is fine as long as we share a common goal.
07-02-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Your question is loaded to get a particular answer. Nice try. You should have asked yourself why I ignored it and you wouldn't need this response.
In what respect was my question unfair? I was completely transparent about why I was asking the question. I wasn't trying to trick you.
07-02-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Suppose that Trump issues the following tweet tomorrow morning:

"Dems should have known better than to nominate an old hag with a chunky ass. #MAGA"

Reportable event or not?

I suspect that there would be little debate about the answer to this question if even 30% of the regular posters in this thread were women.
100% meaningless and not reportable. Which part is news? That he insults someone who ran for president last year and currently has no political role or that he is a misogynist?
07-02-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
That's a good one, but there's trash on the sidewalk. It can't possibly be Canada, can it?
It's London.
07-02-2017 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
100% meaningless and not reportable. Which part is news? That he insults someone who ran for president last year and currently has no political role or that he is a misogynist?
Would you have felt the same way about statements by George Wallace in 1964 that were demeaning to African Americans? Old news. Nothing to see here. Let's stick to the real issues.
07-02-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
It's London.
Ah. Cars are on the left, but it looks like it could be a one way street. I can't see where the steering wheels are. But....the people are keeping to the left on the sidewalk.
07-02-2017 , 03:05 PM
Not sure if serious.

There's no etiquette here for which side of the pavement people should walk on, but on escalators people stand on the right and overtake on the left, the opposite of how we drive. I know, I know.
07-02-2017 , 03:06 PM
The notion that we talking about tweets are part of the problem is pretty silly. If trivial idiots never got any attention, then yes, Trump would not have become POTUS. But, if you want to run the Universe twice, once like it has been and once where you don't allow trivial idiots to get any attention, then a lot besides Trump is going to change and it could easily be one of those Twilight Zones where you end up regretting your wish.
07-02-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Would you have felt the same way about statements by George Wallace in 1964 that were demeaning to African Americans? Old news. Nothing to see here. Let's stick to the real issues.
Had he written 30,000+ articles on the topic I would argue the 30,001st one is no longer news. This is how many tweets Trump has made nearly all which contain the same message.

He is a racist, misogynist and xenophobe. None of this is news anymore.

The lost value of an unfiled story on policy is FAR outweighed by reporting on his 30,001st demonstration of these qualities.

Last edited by Clovis8; 07-02-2017 at 03:18 PM.
07-02-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Not sure if serious.

There's no etiquette here for which side of the pavement people should walk on, but on escalators people stand on the right and overtake on the left, the opposite of how we drive. I know, I know.
Was serious. And surprised. Walking, escalator and all related etiquette in the US is right-sided and I figured over there it'd be left-sided. I spent a few weeks there a long time ago and don't recall or didn't notice.
07-02-2017 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Do we need more reminding the world Trump is a pig?
yes?
it is pretty much the content of your posts here for the last 2 months (prolly more but lets say its recent),and lot of posters have pointed out that you were looping the same ramblings every post.
It seems everyone has a breaking points and einbert reached his recentely too.

I dont blame you tho.
07-02-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
yes?
it is pretty much the content of your posts here for the last 2 months (prolly more but lets say its recent),and lot of posters have pointed out that you were looping the same ramblings every post.
It seems everyone has a breaking points and einbert reached his recentely too.

I dont blame you tho.
Yes I definitely was a huge part of the problem. We all fell for it. Does that mean we should continue doing so?
07-02-2017 , 03:21 PM
The problem is we have so short attention spans that tweets get coverage but policy won't because explaining takes more than 10 seconds. Yes the media blows, but we're the goddamn problem and that'll never be fixed. It'll just get worse as everyone dumps written journalism for video snippets. Old days everyone owned encyclopedias and actually learned **** when they got bored; now we just sit in front of a screen and watch stupid ****.

Yes, if the media cared about hurting trump at all, they'd talk about things he's doing to hurt americans more and tweeting or russia less but they won't; they dgaf. Entertainment and sensationalism sells, information doesn't. It's that simple.
07-02-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Was serious. And surprised. Walking, escalator and all related etiquette in the US is right-sided and I figured over there it'd be left-sided. I spent a few weeks there a long time ago and don't recall or didn't notice.
I guess the fact that streets and roads tend to be narrow because they're old makes crossing roads at the pedestrian's place of choosing quite feasible/advantageous, and has obviated the need for directional streams of pavement traffic.

Then there's the historic etiquette to consider of gentlemen taking the road side of the pavement to protect a woman from water kicked up by road traffic (I still find myself doing this instinctively).

And probably other reasons I'm not aware of.

It does have the drawback of people frequently bumping into each other that you need a strategy to deal with in more aggressive parts of town, eg the City. Mine is to take the road side of the pavement where at all possible, and stare diagonally across the street.
07-02-2017 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Had he written 30,000+ articles on the topic I would argue the 30,001st one is no longer news. This is how many tweets Trump has made nearly all which contain the same message.

He is a racist, misogynist and xenophobe. None of this is news anymore.

The lost value of an unfiled story on policy is FAR outweighed by reporting on his 30,001st demonstration of these qualities.
He also has crazy ideas abouts immigration, trade, abortion rights, health care, taxes, and a million other things, all of which are well documented and none of which are breaking news. Should we ignore statements by trump on those topics as well, at least insofar as they are consistent with his earlier statements?
07-02-2017 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
He also has crazy ideas abouts immigration, trade, abortion rights, health care, taxes, and a million other things, all of which know and none of which are breaking news. Should we ignore statements by Trump on those topics as well?
Yes until they become some kind of actual policy. He lies and makes threats all the time and nothing ever comes of it. His party is not taking direction from him so what the values in covering them?

The premise of your question assumes this is a standard presidency where the President is driving policy and helping form the direction of public debate. It's not and he's not.

Can you think of an example where one of his tweets drove policy?
07-02-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I hear this all the time. Is there actually evidence it is true?
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cabl...q2-1202479416/

Another example would be Colbert overtaking Fallon

People can't get enough of it

      
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