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07-02-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Always about the money isn't it? That's what our ****ing problem is. All about the bottom line.


I mean it is also a dumb idea, I tried to be clear about that. There is no single point of failure; it's a silly idea that also could never work.

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Originally Posted by Rococo
Often the very reason something is important is because the POTUS said it. In your fantasy world, would news articles begin with something like the following: "An unnamed person, who may or may not be the top ranking member of the US government, stated that the US would respond with boots on the ground if North Korea initiated military action against South Korea."
"Pruzimuh Muhmhmhmm today revealed via Twitter his plans to round up all Muslims in internment camps "until we figure out what the hell is going on". Muhmhmhmm went on to call for all 'true' citizens to be vigilant against the activities of known or suspected Democrats."

PROBLEM SOLVED
07-02-2017 , 01:37 PM
Honestly if it were me yes he's an unnamed source in everything I write. Beat him at his own game. He wants to downplay the validity of unnamed sources, well Mr. President you just became one. We should be doing everything in our power to tilt this low life but tilt him with the truth. The same way he said the Central Park 5 should suffer there shouldn't be a day on this earth where this POTUS doesn't suffer, sweat or fear for his Presidency.

Personally I'm done playing nice. There is legitimate evil walking amongst us in this great land of ours and as the quote says evil will prevail if good men do nothing. We better step the **** up.

You say it's a silly idea because it couldn't work. The same god damn thing was said about the man who is currently in office so obviously to cast something aside in that regard is incredibly short sighted. You're like the tennis player getting his ass whooped in a match who refuses to change tactics. What he's doing isn't working but he doesn't think this adjustment will work either so why even try it? Yea have fun losing bub.
07-02-2017 , 01:41 PM
I blame Canada.
07-02-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
You say it's a silly idea because it couldn't work. The same god damn thing was said about the man who is currently in office so obviously to cast something aside in that regard is incredibly short sighted. You're like the tennis player getting his ass whooped in a match who refuses to change tactics. What he's doing isn't working but he doesn't think this adjustment will work either so why even try it? Yea have fun losing bub.
No, I said it's a silly idea AND it can't work. I've been very explicit about that. Pull off the miracle to get it done, and you've still achieved absolutely nothing beyond further undermining the credibility of the press in the minds of LIVs.

ETA I mean it's such a stupid idea I'm done even mocking it.
07-02-2017 , 01:46 PM
Your problem is you're worried about pleasing a side that has their mind made up no matter what you do. If the media did a 180 and every other story was positive on Trump you think these mouth breathers would change their tune? No because they are brain dead zombies.

Lol @ undermining the credibility of the media for not saying someone's name which in no way shape or form stops you from reporting the news accurately.
07-02-2017 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Your problem is you're worried about pleasing a side that has their mind made up no matter what you do. If the media did a 180 and every other story was positive on Trump you think these mouth breathers would change their tune? No because they are brain dead zombies.
Yeah, nailed it, that's me alright.
07-02-2017 , 01:48 PM
I think it's tempting to believe that there's one trick the media could pull to stop Trump.
07-02-2017 , 01:48 PM
07-02-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
You say it's a silly idea because it couldn't work. The same god damn thing was said about the man who is currently in office so obviously to cast something aside in that regard is incredibly short sighted. You're like the tennis player getting his ass whooped in a match who refuses to change tactics. What he's doing isn't working but he doesn't think this adjustment will work either so why even try it? Yea have fun losing bub.
JFC. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether it would "work", whatever that means. It would be completely irresponsible, an utter abandonment of competent journalism.

You have yet to acknowledge that the significance of a statement as a world news event is often, if not always, related to the power of the person making the statement.

I can make as many provocative statements as I want, and they will never be news, because I am not in government -- and that makes a lot of sense.
07-02-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

Lol @ undermining the credibility of the media for not saying someone's name which in no way shape or form stops you from reporting the news accurately.
If we had a way to poll every credible journalist in the world, I would wager every dollar I have that 99% of them would disagree with you.
07-02-2017 , 01:51 PM
The same journalists who constantly used unnamed sources in their writing? Lolokayyyyy
07-02-2017 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Pretty incredible that Rick Perry can't crack anybody's top five of worst cabinet members despite being on record in recent memory as wanting to get rid of his own department, if he could remember it. Also he's Rick Perry
Isn't wanting to get rid of the department a basic prerequisite of being a cabinet member in Trump's administration?
07-02-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I blame Canada.
We blame you! We have an ok-ish Prime Minister given the current climate that gets treated like an amazing Prime Minister because relative to the dumpster fire that is Trump someone that can shake hands like a rationale adult looks great.
07-02-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
The same journalists who constantly used unnamed sources in their writing? Lolokayyyyy
"The significance of a statement as a world news event is often, if not always, related to the power of the person making the statement."

Do you believe that the sentence above is true or false?

If you believe it is true, then your proposal is fatally flawed. If you believe it is false, then you are unhinged.
07-02-2017 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I think it's tempting to believe that there's one trick the media could pull to stop Trump.


I really don't see how coverage of tweets / press conferences changes anything significantly.
07-02-2017 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
End the New Jim Crow.
http://newjimcrow.com/

Black Lives Matter.

Raise the Age
http://raisetheageny.com/

One Person, One Vote--end the Electoral College and get a new Voting Rights Act

Bail Reform
http://www.courtinnovation.org/topic/bail-reform
I'm as liberal as most anyone you'll ever know, but without looking carefully I'm immediately skeptical of Raise The Age. I've worked with adolescents for years, and I'm telling you without flinching I'd want every 16 year old who commits a violent crime locked up for just as long as a 25 year old.
07-02-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
We blame you! We have an ok-ish Prime Minister given the current climate that gets treated like an amazing Prime Minister because relative to the dumpster fire that is Trump someone that can shake hands like a rationale adult looks great.
I'm posting at Clovis' indignance. Figured you could handle the overspray.
07-02-2017 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
"The significance of a statement as a world news event is often, if not always, related to the power of the person making the statement."

Do you believe that the sentence above is true or false?

If you believe it is true, then your proposal is fatally flawed. If you believe it is false, then you are unhinged.
You stay inside the box. Join me outside of it whenever you deem appropriate.
07-02-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
You stay inside the box. Join me outside of it whenever you deem appropriate.
The box, it is for you.
07-02-2017 , 02:10 PM
07-02-2017 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
We have an ok-ish Prime Minister given the current climate
Pretty bad one given the future climate, though. [/rimshot]
07-02-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
That's a good one, but there's trash on the sidewalk. It can't possibly be Canada, can it?
07-02-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
You stay inside the box. Join me outside of it whenever you deem appropriate.
So what is the answer to my question?
07-02-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado


I really don't see how coverage of tweets / press conferences changes anything significantly.
The idea of not using his name or calling them unnamed sources is silly.

My point is the reason we discuss something is if it has content. Trump's tweets contain no policy content at all. They are not treated as direction from anyone in the world including his own party or staff. They are the definition of meaningless.

They serve only three purposes, two of which are stupid and one which is a cancer to democracy.

They serve to rile his base and show how tough he is.
They serve to fuel indignation in his opponents.
The truely cancerous one is the way they distract from the serious issues at hand.

Some argue they are from the president so we must pay attention but they are making a logical failure in applying the standard rules of the presidency to Trump.

I can think of only one example where his tweets played ANY role in the world; when they hurt him on his travel ban case.

Otherwise, they are totally and completely content free, mean nothing, have no force and effect and serve only to district people from serious issues.

What is value in posting his every piggish tweet? Is it new information that he is a disgusting awful human?

Last edited by Clovis8; 07-02-2017 at 02:39 PM.
07-02-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
I agree with this. If the media did have any gull they'd blacklist the President. Don't talk about a goddamn thing he's said or done whether it's good or bad. You can focus on issues and stories in this country without this ****bag being the center of it all. He secretly enjoys the attention even when it's bad. Don't show up at any of their briefings, act as if you truly could care less about this man and his administration. Let Huckabee stand up there and answer 20 questions from Brietbart for all I care. Tough to spin networks as fake or fraudulent when they aren't talking about you ever. This will never happen but man would it be glorious. Trump would lose his **** because he wants to be talked about. He'd get exposed.
So when ratings inevitably drop because ppl want to see Trump Tweet coverage, what then?

      
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