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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-01-2017 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
I'm sick and tired of the democratic party compromising to get the racist vote. The Bill Clinton strategy. It's wrong and the GOP has adapted to beat it. That is a path that results in D friendly voters not showing up on election day. Draw a line in the sand. Stand for something.

It is not necessary to persuade a single Trump voter to win. It is necessary to get the D friendly voters registered, voting, and have their votes count. A message of fair taxation, universal healthcare, better wages is the way.
While I agree; I'm not sure part 2 would actually work. Republicans are winning going against the entire last sentence. I do agree they should try that strategy as the status quo vanilla centrist pro corp bull**** nobody wants anymore. I just don't know if it can win, it's basically what just bernie who's actually won running that platform and that's just a small state.

Last edited by wheatrich; 07-01-2017 at 09:39 PM.
07-01-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
some ppl think he was able to speak in whole meaningful sentences 20-30 years ago. one example is the vid in the link below. (some say this is a non legit site btw, so im just there for the video). i dont know how he used to be that long ago but his way of uttering himself is not on the level in this video. but i dont doubt his narcisism and undeveloped adulthood was there that long ago.
It's pretty easy to cherry pick an interview from decades ago, compare it to a few, more recent, cherry picked instances of incomprehensible bumbling, and then conclude that there has been some kind of mental decline.

But around the same time of this Larry King interview, Trump routinely pretended to be a different person -- his own publicist -- in phone calls with reporters.

The same guy who made those calls is now the president. He hasn't changed.
07-01-2017 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Consider the following two questions:

1) Is there anything that can be done ex post that will remedy injustices like Gorsuch/Garland?

2) Can the country be improved going forward using traditional political channels and methods?

I feel like you consistently assume that the answer to the first question somehow informs or implies the answer to the second question. That is not at all obvious to me.
I'd prefer 2, but as we've seen in many countries throughout history, there is an inflection point in dictatorships (often masquerading as democracies or republics) where traditional political channels are no longer effective or even possible. I think we need to step up our game now before we get past that point.
07-01-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
While I agree; I'm not sure part 2 would actually work. Republicans have won going against the entire last sentence.
I disagree.

The Republicans obviously have a different message, but they push that message. They don't waste their time trying to persuade democrats by watering down their message. They get all of their voters motivated and voting.

The basic Republican message:

* Democrats love abortion. Elect them and millions of innocent babies will be murdered.
* Democrats hate god. They want to use their schools to teach your kids to be atheists and gay.
* Democrats hate guns. They will confiscate your guns and then nothing can stop some mysterious leftist tyranny after the guns are gone.
* Democrats want to make whites extinct in USA. That's why they support immigration.
* Democrats are soft. Only republicans are tough enough to stand up to foreign enemies.
07-01-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
I disagree.

The Republicans obviously have a different message, but they push that message. They don't waste their time trying to persuade democrats by watering down their message. They get all of their voters motivated and voting.

The basic Republican message:

* Democrats love abortion. Elect them and millions of innocent babies will be murdered.
* Democrats hate god. They want to use their schools to teach your kids to be atheists and gay.
* Democrats hate guns. They will confiscate your guns and then nothing can stop some mysterious leftist tyranny after the guns are gone.

* Democrats want to make whites extinct in USA. That's why they support immigration.

https://twitter.com/intelwire/status/856470785816489984
07-01-2017 , 09:57 PM
Democrats should adopt this:

07-01-2017 , 10:17 PM
If they want to be a permanent minority, sure.

The elimination of rent, interest and profit. Come on.
07-01-2017 , 10:23 PM

https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/st...61169469403137
07-01-2017 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Democrats should adopt this:

I don't post much these days, but do lurk a lot and read this thread everyday.

Please stop making this thread unreadable.
07-01-2017 , 11:37 PM
Yeah I read this thread all the time too. Einbert does himself more harm than good.
07-02-2017 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
What happened in the uk was a group called http://www.peoplesmomentum.com momentum did all the hard boring work of organising that no regular person has time to do all the while being called loony lefties and derided by basically everyone (including me honestly) small groups of insanely (in a almost a real sense) commited people with a clear and shared vision. A leftist tea party you need people willing to do hugely -ev effortful things for a long time before everyone else (me) jumps on at the end for the credit.
Good to see you getting there eventually. They sold me while it was still in the -ev stage. About the time Blair was being landed because he won something.

I hope you noticed that the left have a leader who believes in civil discussion and winning the arguments. Momentum have some name calling elements but on the whole are thoroughly decent people.
07-02-2017 , 12:14 AM
Einbert has good meaning overzealous execution
07-02-2017 , 12:26 AM
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
07-02-2017 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Democrats should adopt this:

Yeah good luck getting 40 percent of the populace to support that, where some people see "new social order" others will see "new world order" and will resist at any cost.
07-02-2017 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
How is every single actual news organisation / serious journalist in the US not joining together right now to destroy Trump? Every newspaper, every news channel, every journalist who actually believes in their profession should be coming together as one to denounce this absurd "fake news" nonsense. Every single citizen with a functioning brain should be out on the streets every day demanding that this vile imbecile GTFO of the white house. I just can't understand how he's being allowed to get away with making a mockery of everything the US is supposed to stand for.

Seriously, the whole world is disgusted at you for letting this stand. Do something about it. Get out on the ****ing streets.
Harder than it used to be, and getting progressively worse. Trump is so insecure and vindictive that he put up new obstacles for people who speak out against him. Just like Putin.

Protestors risk anything from a GOP Congressman calling their boss to get them fired, to being arrested en mass, to being shot by a Trumpist NRA member.

And don't be a journalist. In one Comey meeting, Trump asked him to use the FBI to arrest certain reporters. If you're lucky, you may only get body slammed and broken glasses.
07-02-2017 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Everyone knew that about Reagan as he was running for election and still won. America dgaf.

Trump won't hide it though--he gets caught pouring gas on fires he started then blames whoever called the fire department.

I hate the mental argument even if it's partially true because he's always been completely off his rocker.
I hate the mental argument too, but for the other reason.
07-02-2017 , 02:10 AM
https://twitter.com/niceDonaIdTrump

this very reasonable twitter account is obviously a parody because we have a terrible president irl
07-02-2017 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Joe and Mika are pretty much full of **** here. They were chummy with Trump through most of the campaign and now the leopards are eating their faces. So now we get this BS "well, he seemed nice back in the day, but now he's gone crazy or something" act.

And it's not just Joe & Mika, the whole Hollywood entertainment industry thought Trump's antics were hilarious. He got a pass on being a rapey ******* when he was a Celebrity Apprentice star because that's the kind of pedestal we put entertainment celebs on.
This is a very good post.
07-02-2017 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
I don't post much these days, but do lurk a lot and read this thread everyday.

Please stop making this thread unreadable.
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Yeah good luck getting 40 percent of the populace to support that, where some people see "new social order" others will see "new world order" and will resist at any cost.




07-02-2017 , 05:08 AM
Please stop the spam, Einbert.
07-02-2017 , 05:21 AM
07-02-2017 , 05:22 AM
07-02-2017 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
What happened in the uk was a group called http://www.peoplesmomentum.com momentum did all the hard boring work of organising that no regular person has time to do all the while being called loony lefties and derided by basically everyone (including me honestly) small groups of insanely (in a almost a real sense) commited people with a clear and shared vision. A leftist tea party you need people willing to do hugely -ev effortful things for a long time before everyone else (me) jumps on at the end for the credit.
For every Momentum member of the type you describe there are 5 more members (like me) or supporters that just do what they can - be it sharing on social media,donating or turning the final table of a local poker tournament into a heated debate about shaking off apathy and convincing people that their vote counts and can change things.
Labour Party membership is growing every day and Momentum is playing a big part in this especially with the youth.
The model is something the resistance in America should look at closely.
07-02-2017 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
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07-02-2017 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by beastalamode
Yeah good luck getting 40 percent of the populace to support that, where some people see "new social order" others will see "new world order" and will resist at any cost.
40%? I doubt you could ever get 10% to support this, and I certainly would be in the 90%. If taken at face value, that platform would be far to the left of any European country, and probably closer in spirit to Marxism than anything else.

      
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