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06-30-2017 , 06:17 PM

#43051

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

I don't think this logically follows, especially considering the "stealing" of the seat was all about norm-violation and did not involve the breaking of any laws.

I mean if Gorsuch starts ruling in ways that are incompatible with the law I'll be right there with you but I don't think you can argue that any and all Supreme Court rulings are now affronts to the Constitution or whatever it is you are trying to say.

They already have. Unconstitutional Muslim ban in effect, with out even hearing the case that was ruled on by lower court.

06-30-2017 , 06:22 PM

#43052

cuserounder

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With regard to the geographical distribution of Democrats, it should be a priority of the party to improve that through policy going forward. Investing in Sun Belt cities to create jobs for college graduates could lead to more House seats and eventually create a couple of swing states... Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Austin, Birmingham, Atlanta, etc... The same could work by trying to help mid-sized cities grow in other regions.

06-30-2017 , 06:23 PM

#43053

microbet

Solar Powered

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

To the extent our democracy was ever legitimate, it wasn't because electoral districts weren't gerrymandered. They've always been gerrymandered. Voter suppression is also not exactly a new thing.

Well, it's absolutely impossible to call our democracy legitimate before 1920, pretty much impossible before 1964, and probably still impossible. It's probably a fair point to make though that it's been getting less legitimate for the last 8 years or so.

06-30-2017 , 07:36 PM

#43054

aflametotheground

old hand

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

the US is 21. we arent doing too shabby in scandinavia either.

must be nice.

06-30-2017 , 07:44 PM

#43055

Clovis8

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No rational argument can be made anymore that America is a force for good in the world.

06-30-2017 , 07:50 PM

#43056

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cuserounder

Starting a trade war is horrible economic policy and will likely be disastrous for us, but despite disagreeing with it on the merits, I do not object to Trump doing it... if that makes sense. A huge chunk of his voters wanted it, he won, and even if his presidency is possibly going to prove to be illegitimate, this is one of the few policies he and his supporters champion that's not intentionally hurting other Americans.

He won, so if they get this, congrats. It'll suck for them as much as it will for all of us, if not more, but then hopefully we can move on and never try it again.

This is going to negatively impact every single person in the US. He will be declaring a trade war with the whole world. We all lose bigly.

06-30-2017 , 07:58 PM

#43057

Rococo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

One of these guys also believes OJ was innocent

Dershowitz has become completely unhinged.

06-30-2017 , 08:03 PM

#43058

aflametotheground

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rocco question for you here, is your no empathy friend a libertarian? just curious

06-30-2017 , 08:04 PM

#43059

Rococo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Einbert what is your solution to the stolen Supreme Court seat and frankly, the illegitimacy of the Government of the United States?

I agree with awval on virtually nothing, but I confess that I also don't really understand what einbert wants people to do.

06-30-2017 , 08:07 PM

#43060

Rococo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aflametotheground

rocco question for you here, is your no empathy friend a libertarian? just curious

He is too practical, and has lived too long in the real world, to be a real libertarian, but I certainly understand why you would ask the question.

06-30-2017 , 08:08 PM

#43061

2OutsNoProb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Einbert what is your solution to the stolen Supreme Court seat and frankly, the illegitimacy of the Government of the United States?

Elect Democrat in 2020, wait until January 2021, then bring over Khamel to go full Pelican Brief. Might as well start with Thomas, since he's been brain-dead for about two decades anyway.

06-30-2017 , 08:13 PM

#43062

jmakin

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we'll be in civil war well before 2020

06-30-2017 , 08:14 PM

#43063

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Democrats have willingly segregated themselves (for lack of a better term) into urban areas.

lol at the agency here. Yep, those minorities somehow willingly self-segregated themselves into Midwestern cities. No better term to describe it. Not sure how this happened exactly, maybe some historian can look into it some day.

06-30-2017 , 08:14 PM

#43064

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Even now, I can still puase, reflect and erupt into deep belly laughs and chuckles that Yanklandia did actually vote Trump in as President.

Hahaha its still amazing.

That said it is one of the biggest pieces of evidence supporting the I am actually in a coma theory that is simmering away on a very small ring on the back burner.

06-30-2017 , 08:19 PM

#43065

ScreaminAsian

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https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/880942805144674305

06-30-2017 , 08:31 PM

#43066

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/880942805144674305

lol this is great

06-30-2017 , 08:39 PM

#43067

fatkid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

No rational argument can be made anymore that America is a force for good in the world.

Yeah you said that 200 times already. We get it. Get a new shtick bro.

06-30-2017 , 08:51 PM

#43068

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/880778735456223232

Or even worse when America elects someone even dumber, more obnoxious, and mean spirited and we all pine for the good old days of Trump like some people do now with Bush.

This is what people don't think about.

This change is forever. Donald Trump is merely a symptom. There'll be more like him coming immediately afterwards because his type of personality is now what resonates with Americans when evaluating politicians.

06-30-2017 , 08:52 PM

#43069

Our House

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Anderson Cooper said Trump reportedly watches 5+ hours of TV per day!

06-30-2017 , 08:56 PM

#43070

Our House

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Sort of...

The negative impact of Donald Trump will not doubt sting and lower the standard a great deal, but it won't be full force at least. We get a reprieve in the fact that there will be a tremendous amount of pressure to "remember what happened when Trump made this same stupid move" in a zillion varieties.

06-30-2017 , 09:06 PM

#43071

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

Anderson Cooper said Trump reportedly watches 5+ hours of TV per day!

We sort of knew that already, but the really interesting story here is that there are ~3 people in Trump's inner circle who are willing to leak these embarrassing details to CNN.

06-30-2017 , 09:06 PM

#43072

Riverman

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I think Dershowitz is just a way smarter version of Dr. Ikes. Enjoys being contrarian for sport, thinking it makes him look better.

That or he and Trump were doing 12 year olds together on Epstein island.

Or both.

06-30-2017 , 09:13 PM

#43073

SuperUberBob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

When have people ever learned anything from history?

06-30-2017 , 09:30 PM

#43074

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Specifically, language that Trump has used in the past and now is used by the NRA (academic elites are the greatest threat) echoes what past dictatorships have done after taking power: imprison, kill, and exile as many academics, teachers, journalists, and intellectuals as possible.

https://twitter.com/JenAshleyWright/...30207366254592

https://twitter.com/JenAshleyWright/...30693402243073

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