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02-01-2017 , 03:12 PM

#4276

einbert

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There are other reasons to oppose him. A woman's right to have a damn abortion for one thing, LGBT rights, campaign finance. There will be plenty of policy reasons to oppose him. But those shouldn't matter--the votes of the people in 2012 (5,000,000 more voted for Barack H. Obama) should be respected.

Gerrymandering is a big one too. Think long and hard before supporting this guy who is gonna help rip apart voting rights and make permanent this functional minority regime.

02-01-2017 , 03:12 PM

#4277

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rococo

To put it mildly, you and differ about whether offering non-retributive reasons for opposing Gorsuch is capitulation to jackboots.

I certainly don't think that capitulation is required. Had I been Sally Yates, I would have done the same thing she did in response to the immigration EO. I would like to think that I would have walked off the job rather than enforce it had I worked for Customs, DHS, etc.

Widespread civil disobedience in response to the Trump administration doesn't bother me in the slightest because it is motivated by principle, not just a desire to win.

You think us in here talking about obstruction are doing it out of a desire to win?

I'd say 95% of us are scared to death that our country is going to be irrepably changed in the next 4 years. It has nothing to do with winning.

02-01-2017 , 03:13 PM

#4278

sportsjefe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

This opinion piece asserts that Gorusch's view that executive power is limited might be a gift to the Dem's. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.465f738b459f

vaya addressed that last night in SE and thinks it's a bluff.

02-01-2017 , 03:13 PM

#4279

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

One liberal to another liberal as they are being led to the concentration camps:
"Well, at least we didn't violate any democratic norms! Those Republicans are such hypocrites!"

If we complain too much about these camps we'll have no credibility left for when things get reeeeeeally bad...

02-01-2017 , 03:13 PM

#4280

champstark

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Murkowski and Collins both open nos on DeVos. 50-50 now.

02-01-2017 , 03:17 PM

#4281

microbet

Solar Powered

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rococo

I think we are talking past each other. I am arguing that Democrats should explain why they don't want Gorsuch, and point 1 should not be "Merrick Garland", and point 2 should not be "because Trump nominated him." Points 1-5 should relate to whether he, in fact, would be a good SCOTUS justice.

I don't mind if Democrats oppose him. I don't mind if they filibuster. But I want them to explain it and do it on policy grounds, not retributive grounds.

I want them to explain it purely on retributive grounds. The GOP changed the rules. The rules can go back after Obama's nomination gets a hearing and Garland was a totally moderate pick.

The GOP was openly saying they'd resist Hillary's pick for 4 years.

The Democrats might as well all resign if they're going to accept these rules.

And on top of that, it's not like George H.W. Bush or Dwight Eisenhower is POTUS.

How do you argue for norms now, after the administration is ignoring Federal District Court orders?

02-01-2017 , 03:17 PM

#4282

Pwn_Master

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Rococo, good sir, please have the decency to respond my query which I spent a considerable amount of time drafting to address your concerns.

I also have an additional query for you, if Sir Gorsuch were a true gentleman and Constitutional scholar, would he not insist that the Senate has abdicated its Constitutional duty to consider Sir Garland and demand that they do so before considering him?

02-01-2017 , 03:17 PM

#4283

DVaut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

If we complain too much about these camps we'll have no credibility left for when things get reeeeeeally bad...

You have to save your complaints for the guillotine when they'll be respected. If you complain too soon, Trump voters and Fox News won't take you seriously.

02-01-2017 , 03:18 PM

#4284

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Murkowski and Collins both open nos on DeVos. 50-50 now.

This would be a huge first win. Rally the base, let them know we don't always have to lose these things.

02-01-2017 , 03:21 PM

#4285

seattlelou

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsjefe

vaya addressed that last night in SE and thinks it's a bluff.

Thanks, I wasn't caught up on that thread and it was an interesting take.

02-01-2017 , 03:21 PM

#4286

dth123451

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"Yeah, Sean, the president clearly has no idea who Frederick Douglass was. In fact, he thinks he is alive. Why is he such a dumbass?"

02-01-2017 , 03:22 PM

#4287

DVaut1

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Trump twitter meltdown with tons of fun ham-handed misogyny about female Senators and gibberish about teacher union bribes has to be t-minus 45 minutes and counting right?

02-01-2017 , 03:24 PM

#4288

master3004

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Spicer is such a cock

02-01-2017 , 03:25 PM

#4289

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rococo

As I said before, if the Democrats intend to filibuster Gorsuch, they need better arguments than #FreeMerrick and #F--kTrump. Gorsuch is certainly not my choice, but he is exactly the sort of judge that any Republican candidate would have nominated. Trump is not out on a limb with this nomination and it will be impossible for Democrats to paint Gorsuch as unqualified or a buffoon. He is not Betsy Devos.

lol no they don't

They literally do not, at all

02-01-2017 , 03:27 PM

#4290

DeroDeniro

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I think I'm suffering some kind of Stockholm Syndrome because Spicer is growing on me.

02-01-2017 , 03:27 PM

#4291

raradevils

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

Flynn speaking on Iran. Yipes.

IRAN IS ON NOTICE. (whatever that means).

Is it because they conducted missile tests yesterday?

02-01-2017 , 03:28 PM

#4292

seattlelou

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Obama withdrew Richardson and Daschle in his first cabinet nominees. Any others?

02-01-2017 , 03:28 PM

#4293

dth123451

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Jesus, solid propaganda cut from some dip**** AM radio turd

02-01-2017 , 03:29 PM

#4294

ScreaminAsian

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the skype questions to the white house press room are starting to be wildly supportive of the president

02-01-2017 , 03:29 PM

#4295

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Also, pls defend Pelosi, Mr. San Franciscan.

Unpossible.

The overarching, encouraging thing I've seen so far is that California has made a point of defending liberalism from Trump, not just by individual actors but by the entire state itself. The leaders of the state legislature chambers issued statements right after the election saying they're going to fight Trump, the state retained Eric Holder, SF has already sued over their sanctuary city policies. We've dug in and we're ready to fight, seems like the rest of the country (and some of our longer-tenured federal representatives) is a little more behind on that one.

02-01-2017 , 03:29 PM

#4296

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeroDeniro

I think I'm suffering some kind of Stockholm Syndrome because Spicer is growing on me.

DON'T STARE INTO THE LIGHTS

02-01-2017 , 03:30 PM

#4297

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

the skype questions to the white house press room are starting to be wildly supportive of the president

Shocking

02-01-2017 , 03:30 PM

#4298

DeroDeniro

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So the CNN banner thing right now says 13 civilians killed in the Yemen raid.

So we have killed 13 Arab civilians in the first 11 days of Trump's reign versus zero American civilians killed in the US by Arabs.

Yeah we really need this ban. We are in so much danger. If anyone needs a ban, it's the Middle East of US armed forces.