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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-29-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
What the **** is this?
Fine-tuning the next round of voter suppression, in case you actually don't know.
06-29-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
The administration reminds me of train scene in the Fugitive.

New veep chief of staff has already been named and he's excited to get to work

06-29-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
There's a deleted post I can't see that I assume is the ban cause
Fair enough.
06-29-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Thank bejeesus.

Emily Jane @emilyjanefox
BREAK: Greta Van Susteren and MSNBC are parting ways. Her last show was Wednesday. Ari Melber will take the 6pm slot

https://twitter.com/emilyjanefox/sta...13676607926274
She's awful, but tbf to her that time slot is absolute garbage. They've never been able to get anyone to stick there for very long. I almost feel sorry for Ari
06-29-2017 , 04:24 PM
That's how Trump wins in 2020.
06-29-2017 , 04:26 PM
If NBC is having buyer's remorse on Meygan, and all indications seem to point to that, they should give it to her.
06-29-2017 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
If NBC is having buyer's remorse on Megyan, and all indications seem to point to that, they should give it to her.
And it would still be crap. Give it to joy, or ari, or bring back the awesome Alex Wagner.

The Megyan deal was like picking up a 32 y/o former star with a bad hammy 2 years into a bloated 8-year deal. I think that's worked out maybe once.
06-29-2017 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
And it would still be crap. Give it to joy, or ari, or bring back the awesome Alex Wagner.

The Megyan deal was like picking up a 32 y/o former star with a bad hammy 2 years into a bloated 8-year deal. I think that's worked out maybe once.
I loved Wagner, wish they had never let her go. Joy deserves it, but her show is like the only political show that gets eyeballs on Saturday so I think they want her there (as opposed to round-the-clock Lockup eps all weekend). Ari is outstanding and will be good, but I think the problem is simply that most of the country isn't even home from work yet during that time slot, and those who are are eating dinner, doing homework with kids, etc, and Wolf seems to still have a following as well. They've had more than a few different people in there and no one has been able to make it very long compared to the primetime guys.
06-29-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Although I agree that views about cheating the system are shaped by racism, that has slipped from the consciousness of a lot of the people who are outraged about cheaters. In other words, they have convinced themselves -- and by convinced, I mean they would pass a lie detector test -- that they are expressing legitimate moral outrage about cheating that is uninformed by race. And if you show them an unambiguous case of welfare cheating by a white person, they will happily pillory the person because it reaffirms the human instinct to view oneself in the most flattering light possible.

This is one of the reasons that racism is such a tough weed to eradicate.
buddy, its in human nature to react and step up to those who are cheating the system. this moral mechanism has evolved so our societies arent falling apart by too many people taking advantage of others. everyone has this mechanism in themselves. racism is certainly a factor in america, but its not the same thing as disliking cheaters. there is interplay with loads of factors that guides our perception on cheating, like the image of black gang member welfare recipients that dont care about a job and are wearing gold chains and tattoos and selling drugs, for example, i would bet is something that contributes to stereotypes.
06-29-2017 , 04:45 PM
For those who have eagerly been awaiting my opinion of the Russian collusion allegations.

My guess is that Russia would have never risked clueing in an American on the details. However I think there is a pretty good chance that Jared Kushner, who was doing various technical election strategies, may very well had some conversations with a Russian "businessmen" along the lines of the Russian saying to Jared "you ought to send your father in law to Wisconsin a couple of extra times. Don't ask me why".
06-29-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jt217
fwiw, I'm on the left and I don't care at all if some people end up getting welfare money that they don't "deserve" or whatever that means. Like, it's kinda a lefty view that our welfare programs should cover a hell of a lot more people and dole out way more money to each of them. I'd imagine way more lefties agree with me than you as well.
i think thats somewhat accurate, i dont really think about welfare recipients too much. to the conservatives its very important though, but we are probably more left wing than most ppl. my more general point is that humans dont like cheaters, but the right and the left wing target different groups. if you or someone else doesnt understand the concept then try to zoom in and look at your daily interactions with people where some people try to get away with things that are "clever", im sure you understand.
06-29-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
For those who have eagerly been awaiting my opinion of the Russian collusion allegations.

My guess is that Russia would have never risked clueing in an American on the details. However I think there is a pretty good chance that Jared Kushner, who was doing various technical election strategies, may very well had some conversations with a Russian "businessmen" along the lines of the Russian saying to Jared "you ought to send your father in law to Wisconsin a couple of extra times. Don't ask me why".
I actually don't think Trump *personally* colluded unless he's even dumber than we think he is (though the fact that he continues to deny that the Russians interfered at all is worrisome obv). But I will never be convinced that someone from that campaign did not, with or without his express approval. Too much smoke.
06-29-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
This is a pattern with you. Time and again, you take popular notions and ascribe to those who hold them the modes of reasoning you would need to accept in order to adopt those notions. For someone who's made a habit of emphasising their intellectual snobbery, you seem to have a real blind spot when it comes to grasping how truly non-rational many people are. You and John Nash, man. Underneath the crusty elitism is a very fond naivete.
You may be right. But maybe not. A highly rational person is more apt to understand a non rational person than a moderately rational person if the highly rational person has made a study of them. To counter John Nash I offer up Tversky and Kahneman.
06-29-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Everyone associated with this shameful man should never, ever be allowed to live any of this bull**** down.
Except that being able to spout off talking points to the public without any concern for truth or morality is extremely valuable in both the political and corporate spheres.
06-29-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
You may be right. But maybe not. A highly rational person is more apt to understand a non rational person than a moderately rational person if the highly rational person has made a study of them. To counter John Nash I offer up Tversky and Kahneman.
If I understand where you're going, you're pointing to the ostensible loss suffered by someone whose success is implicitly diminished by the claim that welfare recipients are mostly only mildly culpable for their circumstances. Again, it's not that your reasoning is invalid. It's that very few people actually think like that. Very few people will actually take the claim "Joe's broke, but it wasn't his fault" and abstract from that to "Your comparative comfort is mostly due to chance". Edit: I'm claiming that they won't perceive the loss.

I'm not saying that people wouldn't agree with you if they thought like you. I'm saying that most people don't think like you.
06-29-2017 , 05:10 PM
Looks like Greta is gone immediately, replacements will host until Ari comes in full time.
06-29-2017 , 05:11 PM
One less Scientologist on the air.
06-29-2017 , 05:18 PM
Kinda bummed I can't remember the name of that DC restaurant she was talking about in her promos and now I'll probably never know unless one of you tells me because I'm far too lazy to look.
06-29-2017 , 05:19 PM
"George W. Bush planned the Iraq invasion here over meatloaf."

"Harry Truman sat in that booth over there and complained to his aides about the condition of MacArthur's hat."
06-29-2017 , 05:20 PM
john f kennedy proposed to jackie o in that booth while richard nixon ate 2 plates of spaghetti and watched them longingly from this booth
06-29-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I made this point earlier but events like the Machado thing really damaged Trump because while the world has astonishingly few truly sacrosanct things in it, pretty women remain a universally treasured commodity, in all times and places. Society will tolerate you saying wretched things about Rosie O'Donnell but it will not allow you to abuse a pretty lady like that.

The simple fact is that the Trump Style of dominance politics which seeks to bring everyone to heel and embarrass them can probably really work and be hugely successful with just a little bit of fine tuning. You just have to limit the targets to acceptable losers or things people don't really care about. The reason why Trump's rage-tilting on Megyn Kelly ("bleeding from her wherevers") after she accosted him at the first debate is problematic because it's the first time I remember he picked a target that had high social value. I mean yeah, John McCain before that, but it sort of proves my point: other than the leftovers of the GOP elites, he lambasted a ****ing POW and earned a collective shrug from the media. Say mean things about a hot blonde and catch collective wrath.

The Megyn Kelly story went on for days and days. Let's face it, 95%+ of even Trump's Idiot right-wing rage machine armies would happily vote for Barack Obama's third term and install him as a lifelong dictator in exchange for the opportunity to touch Megyn Kelly's tit for like 5 seconds. Not even a debate. Critical to understand that about the electorate, particularly if you're peddling rage to men. Ailes got that, that's why he installed all those hot women anchors at FNC: that the only thing that titillates angry white men more than a good story about lazy blacks rioting is a hot women and you don't cross-pollinate their rage for blacks with the things they rub one out to. It's almost surprising Trump, Hannity et al haven't plugged that leak. Basically zero good outcomes publically feuding with a hot woman, just move on. Like when push comes to shove, even the angriest troglodyte dudes are gonna throw their lot in with hot ladies over fellow traveler deplorables. That's why Megyn Kelly is a valuable media commodity. And then Trump compounded it by throwing a week long tantrum afterwards, which we saw over and over during the campaign and eventually became a big liability.
"Republicans Slam President Trump for 'Face-Lift' Tweet: 'This Isn't Normal'"

http://time.com/4839060/donald-trump...ezinski-tweet/
06-29-2017 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
You may be right. But maybe not. A highly rational person is more apt to understand a non rational person than a moderately rational person if the highly rational person has made a study of them. To counter John Nash I offer up Tversky and Kahneman.
Notice again how David attempts to shove some sort of "rationality" spectrum into his analysis of, well, everything. And it goes without saying where on the spectrum David considers himself.
06-29-2017 , 05:31 PM


https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/sta...38824484499457


hummmm......................
06-29-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PoppaTMan
"Republicans Slam President Trump for 'Face-Lift' Tweet: 'This Isn't Normal'"

http://time.com/4839060/donald-trump...ezinski-tweet/
he's super stressed rn because he knows he's guilty of dirty business with russia and his russian connections are being heavily scrutinized by an all-star team of criminal investigators and prosecutors. that's one explanation for his behavior

      
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