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06-29-2017 , 02:47 PM

#42726

Dominic

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I can't watch this...it's straight up propaganda

06-29-2017 , 02:48 PM

#42727

Oroku$aki

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skype problems

06-29-2017 , 02:51 PM

#42728

poconoder

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more skype questions please. only politards care about these phony DC scandalettes that the DC press focus on.

the skype questions seem to be about policy that affects real people.

06-29-2017 , 02:56 PM

#42729

Riverman

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Can we get a check on how many GOPers are troubled by this? Possibly Deeply Troubled or even DEEPLY Troubled?

06-29-2017 , 02:57 PM

#42730

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

radiohead's posts are terrible but if he got banned (even temp-banned) for that, that is terrible modding.

There's a deleted post I can't see that I assume is the ban cause

06-29-2017 , 02:58 PM

#42731

Oroku$aki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poconoder

more skype questions please. only politards care about these phony DC scandalettes that the DC press focus on.

the skype questions seem to be about policy that affects real people.

What? Pretty sure they were arranged as a bewildering attempt to make Trump seem more reasonable, and as a distraction.

06-29-2017 , 03:02 PM

#42732

poconoder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

What? Pretty sure they were arranged as a bewildering attempt to make Trump seem more reasonable, and as a distraction.

you think policy questions are a distraction?

we don't elect presidents for entertainment reasons. If we did he would have got 80% of the 2p2 vote but that didn't happen.

06-29-2017 , 03:07 PM

#42733

Oroku$aki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by poconoder

you think policy questions are a distraction?

we don't elect presidents for entertainment reasons. If we did he would have got 80% of the 2p2 vote but that didn't happen.

You think this White House is ever taking anything other than softballs in this spot?

And the morons couldn't even get that right. I couldn't even hear the questions due to the lolbad connection so what are you talking about?

06-29-2017 , 03:11 PM

#42734

Sighsalot

adept

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopey

Jesus Christ...how can anyone still defend this idiot? What an absolute piece of trash.

this. vile POS

06-29-2017 , 03:11 PM

#42735

simplicitus

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06-29-2017 , 03:14 PM

#42736

eyebooger

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That is ****ing brilliant.

06-29-2017 , 03:15 PM

#42737

jt217

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aflametotheground

its in human nature to dislike cheaters. we on the left certainly dont like undeserving welfare recipients either, but the conservatives care alot more. its important to be wary of cheaters in society and punish them or else society will degrade and fall apart.

the thing is that its not about moral corruption. your parents are probably fine people. its all about moral diversity. you are going to argue with all your force to defend what you "feel" is right, and so will your parents and conservatives and libertarians. so alot of ppl around here would serve themselves well if they would take a more descriptive view on politics instead of the constant screaming.

fwiw, I'm on the left and I don't care at all if some people end up getting welfare money that they don't "deserve" or whatever that means. Like, it's kinda a lefty view that our welfare programs should cover a hell of a lot more people and dole out way more money to each of them. I'd imagine way more lefties agree with me than you as well.

06-29-2017 , 03:17 PM

#42738

champstark

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Everyone associated with this shameful man should never, ever be allowed to live any of this bull**** down. If a Dem wins in 2020 all of them should be investigated and jailed accordingly.

For those who didn't commit crimes there should be public hearings where they have to explain all of this to us.

06-29-2017 , 03:30 PM

#42739

Oroku$aki

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We're gonna get twenty different versions of The Valachi Papers.

06-29-2017 , 03:34 PM

#42740

Rococo

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

I do not mean to indict your relatives but simply recommend you guys get your hackles up and remember most of the people you're talking about aren't actually outraged by people cheating the system. They probably know in their guts that is rare or at least is solvable. They have calculated that fuming about welfare 'cheating' while it may make them look stupid is at least politically acceptable, touches on some shared norms about fairness and good governance. They are not going to tell you what they really think, what they are really opposed to, so you can't take this stuff at face value.

Although I agree that views about cheating the system are shaped by racism, that has slipped from the consciousness of a lot of the people who are outraged about cheaters. In other words, they have convinced themselves -- and by convinced, I mean they would pass a lie detector test -- that they are expressing legitimate moral outrage about cheating that is uninformed by race. And if you show them an unambiguous case of welfare cheating by a white person, they will happily pillory the person because it reaffirms the human instinct to view oneself in the most flattering light possible.

This is one of the reasons that racism is such a tough weed to eradicate.

06-29-2017 , 03:35 PM

#42741

Namath12

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lol o'queef

06-29-2017 , 03:39 PM

#42742

David Sklansky

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Originally Posted by catfacemeowmers

Nah, it's absolutely morally corrupt when you're willing to strip funding from programs that help the poor because you're worried that, in addition to helping the poor, it might also help undeserving people.

I have written this several times. And its doubly true given all the super rich in this country who can't begin to spend most of their money.

But I believe there is another issue that offends the middle class man on the street. Its not just that that they don't like to see a freeloader take advantage. It is also the contention that the vast majority of those in bad shape are not largely to blame for their circumstances. They consider that contention an insult to them. It implies that their moderate success is due to luck.

In other words I am speculating that there might be more support for helping the needy if the estimate among liberals for the number of people who are partially to blame for their own bad circumstances was INCREASED rather than decreased. That seems counterintuitive. But it is based on my opinion that the average semi successful hard working person would fell more generous if he or she was thrown a compliment while being asked for help.

06-29-2017 , 03:45 PM

#42743

Oroku$aki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I have written this several times. And its doubly true given all the super rich in this country who can't begin to spend most of their money.

But I believe there is another issue that offends the middle class man on the street. Its not just that that they don't like to see a freeloader take advantage. It is also the contention that the vast majority of those in bad shape are not largely to blame for their circumstances. They consider that contention an insult to them. It implies that their moderate success is due to luck.

In other words I am speculating that there might be more support for helping the needy if the estimate among liberals for the number of people who are partially to blame for their own bad circumstances was INCREASED rather than decreased. That seems counterintuitive. But it is based on my opinion that the average semi successful hard working person would fell more generous if he or she was thrown a compliment while being asked for help.

Not just counterintuitive, but wrong and foolhardy.

06-29-2017 , 03:54 PM

#42744

ANONNNN

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I disagree pretty strongly with this. It doesn't match up with my experience at all.

06-29-2017 , 03:54 PM

#42745

simplicitus

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Thank bejeesus.

Emily Jane @emilyjanefox
BREAK: Greta Van Susteren and MSNBC are parting ways. Her last show was Wednesday. Ari Melber will take the 6pm slot

https://twitter.com/emilyjanefox/sta...13676607926274

06-29-2017 , 03:57 PM

#42746

ScreaminAsian

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that was quick

06-29-2017 , 04:04 PM

#42747

LFS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by catfacemeowmers

I disagree pretty strongly with this. It doesn't match up with my experience at all.

I see what he's saying. Look at Trump. Never has the phrase "born on third and thinks he hit a triple" been more apt, except it understates the advantage he was born with and his complete lack of gratitude and humility.

But I disagree with the idea that we need to put more moral responsibility on people who need help so that the people who are able to give that help will be more willing.

06-29-2017 , 04:11 PM

#42748

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

In other words I am speculating that there might be more support for helping the needy if the estimate among liberals for the number of people who are partially to blame for their own bad circumstances was INCREASED rather than decreased. That seems counterintuitive. But it is based on my opinion that the average semi successful hard working person would fell more generous if he or she was thrown a compliment while being asked for help.

This is a pattern with you. Time and again, you take popular notions and ascribe to those who hold them the modes of reasoning you would need to accept in order to adopt those notions. For someone who's made a habit of emphasising their intellectual snobbery, you seem to have a real blind spot when it comes to grasping how truly non-rational many people are. You and John Nash, man. Underneath the crusty elitism is a very fond naivete.