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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-24-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I certainly agree that Obama comes off looking bad in the WaPo story, but the correct course surely seems clearer in hindsight than it did at the time.

I don't think Obama refrained from stronger action because he was worried that Republicans were going to call him mean names. Any black man who runs for President as a Democrat has thick skin. Nor do I think that he was mainly motivated by some innate sense of fair play.

I think he wanted Hillary to enter the presidency in as strong a position as possible and thought a relatively low key response was the right way to achieve that goal. In other words, I think he was trying to be pragmatic. The error was that he badly misjudged the likelihood of Trump winning. He made the same mistake we all made.
I agree, and it's also important to keep in mind that we don't know how it would have played out if Obama had done something after not getting the support of the GOP half of the Gang of Eight. Like, he could have actually given Trump enough ammo to win the election without the Russian meddling. If Obama took action against Russia, and tried to force states to secure their election systems even if they didn't want to, Trump would have been blasting him at every rally for rigging the election for Hillary, and that might have gotten Trump more votes.

It put Obama into an absurdly difficult spot when the Republican leaders shrugged and said whatever. I think blaming him for this is both unproductive and slightly unfair (he was POTUS, he could have done better, so it's not out of bounds to question what he did)... But again, it's unproductive. Donald Trump is president, Mitch McConnell is about to **** over America again, and Democrats are wasting time criticizing Obama?
06-24-2017 , 03:18 PM
The constitution allows the states to run their own elections. I'm not sure there's anything Obama could do to get a red state to cooperate against the will of its current governor/legislature.
06-24-2017 , 03:49 PM
Probabbly best to have jarodd run the elections from now on


Last edited by yeSpiff; 06-24-2017 at 03:55 PM.
06-24-2017 , 03:55 PM
06-24-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
The constitution allows the states to run their own elections. I'm not sure there's anything Obama could do to get a red state to cooperate against the will of its current governor/legislature.
In 1964, Alabama decided it didn't care too much for Presidential candidate Lyndon B. Johnson, so they found a way to simply keep him off the ballot altogether.

http://www.fampeople.com/cat-george-wallace_2
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In 1964, Alabama Republicans stood to benefit from the unintended consequences of two developments: (1) Governor Wallace vacating the race for the Democratic presidential nomination against President Johnson, and (2) the designation of unpledged Democratic electors in Alabama, in effect removing President Johnson from the general election ballot.
06-24-2017 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Anderson Cooper is from a famously wealthy family. Rachel Maddow did odd jobs to support herself and wrote a thesis on AIDS treatment in prisons. I'm pretty sure she understands the problems of lower and middle class people. She didn't start making real money until well past 30 y/o. Your comment is pretty much a false ad hominem, raised to explain an incorrect observation.
She's still gonna cover Chris Christie bridgegate a lot more than she is going to cover healthcare or wage/mobility stagnation or poverty.

She didn't get up to 3M viewers a night by breaking down the TPP.
06-24-2017 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
She's still gonna cover Chris Christie bridgegate a lot more than she is going to cover healthcare or wage/mobility stagnation or poverty.

She didn't get up to 3M viewers a night by breaking down the TPP.
you obviously don't watch the show
06-24-2017 , 04:40 PM


hurrrrrrrr
06-24-2017 , 04:49 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...15504063643648

lol
06-24-2017 , 05:16 PM
WAT

Worse part is that his followers are going to be parroting the same thing while at the same time denying that the Russian hacks only benefited Trump.
06-24-2017 , 05:20 PM
I live in MA so this might not be worth much but overheard 2 middle aged white dudes talking about how it is becoming apparent that the "guy in the white house" doesn't really care about America too much.

Also said it is 122 degrees in Phoenix we gotta do something about global warming before it is too late tho.
06-24-2017 , 05:27 PM
trump is trying out this new narrative he just came up with where hillary secretly coordinated with russian intelligence to hack the usa elections, and obama obstructed justice in order to cover it all up
06-24-2017 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
trump is trying out this new narrative he just came up with where hillary secretly coordinated with russian intelligence to hack the usa elections, and obama obstructed justice in order to cover it all up
you forgot, all of that for millions of illegal hillary votes only in california.
06-24-2017 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...15504063643648

lol
Election was almost nine months ago. He won. Unless he is trying to muddy the waters that he and his people did something wrong why is he talking about it.

Remember when people argued he is not necessarily the worst president ever? He is the worst. He is THE worst. He is THE WORST. HE IS THE WORST.
06-24-2017 , 05:57 PM
We had some real humdingers between the end of the Civil War and the Great Depression.
06-24-2017 , 06:10 PM
dont be focusing on T(-pain) up in this ***** ok
06-24-2017 , 06:27 PM
Ulysses S. Grant was basically drunk for two straight terms. His presidency was plagued by scandal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant

Herbert Hoover raised taxes at the onset of the Great Depression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's successor, fought bitterly to undermine reconstruction and the admittance to the Union of states which would eventually ratify the 14th Amendment. He was eventually impeached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson

This one is pre civil war, but James Buchanan (from Pennsylvania!) intervened with the SC in an effort to get them to rule the Missouri Compromise was unconstitutional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

Last edited by stinkubus; 06-24-2017 at 06:45 PM.
06-24-2017 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I live in MA so this might not be worth much but overheard 2 middle aged white dudes talking about how it is becoming apparent that the "guy in the white house" doesn't really care about America too much.

Also said it is 122 degrees in Phoenix we gotta do something about global warming before it is too late tho.
I went to a lumber yard yesterday in MA and they were giving away free Trump pencils, so my anecdote cancels out yours.
06-24-2017 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Ulysses S. Grant was basically drunk for two straight terms.
i'll take being drunk over dementia/stupidity any day of the week
06-24-2017 , 06:33 PM
You just got a dong slap from the zikzak stick penis boy.
06-24-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Ulysses S. Grant was basically drunk for two straight terms.
i've never been to MA so clearly i'm doing better than both of you
06-24-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Ulysses S. Grant was basically drunk for two straight terms.
goddammit, i meant to delete the post above this (because i got confused) and accidentally deleted the one you were replying to, where i alleged that there couldn't possibly be a president in history who was more stupid or otherwise unfit to hold the office than this complete ****ing fat orange loser
06-24-2017 , 06:36 PM
He could tweet Putin paid him for sanction stuff and congress wouldn't do anything. We are done boys. Packer up.
06-24-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
i've never been to MA so clearly i'm doing better than both of you
How's that garden going? I can legally have up to 6 flowering pot plants in mine
06-24-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I agree, and it's also important to keep in mind that we don't know how it would have played out if Obama had done something after not getting the support of the GOP half of the Gang of Eight. Like, he could have actually given Trump enough ammo to win the election without the Russian meddling. If Obama took action against Russia, and tried to force states to secure their election systems even if they didn't want to, Trump would have been blasting him at every rally for rigging the election for Hillary, and that might have gotten Trump more votes.

It put Obama into an absurdly difficult spot when the Republican leaders shrugged and said whatever. I think blaming him for this is both unproductive and slightly unfair (he was POTUS, he could have done better, so it's not out of bounds to question what he did)... But again, it's unproductive. Donald Trump is president, Mitch McConnell is about to **** over America again, and Democrats are wasting time following another one of Trump's smokeballs and criticizing Obama?
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