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06-23-2017 , 04:21 PM
Drumpf must be struggling today with heat being cast on Obama's earlier handling of Putin/Russia interference. No doubt he wants to amp up the Barry bashing, but it's Putin/Kremlin and his illegitimate election on the other end. Such a tough spot. Orange crush.
06-23-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Drumpf must be struggling today with heat being cast on Obama's earlier handling of Putin/Russia interference. No doubt he wants to amp up the Barry bashing, but it's Putin/Kremlin and his illegitimate election on the other end. Such a tough spot. Orange crush.
Yeah, this came to mind. Obviously deliberate to trigger a lil' dissonance and paranoia. You know, some mixed feelings.

Has he said anything about it yet? Or was it brought up with Spicey today? I *heard* most of the briefing but don't remember.
06-23-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNewT50
2% per year is far too low. You end up creating a group of people who hold onto their houses for decades because their tax bills would be astronomical otherwise. It impedes liquidity and ultimately makes everyone worse off with more expensive houses than they ought to be. Assuming houses increase more than 2% per year in value, you end up with people whose tax bills are actually diverging from the value of their real estate; this distorts the market hugely. The real beneficiaries of such a law are typically the rich; the poor renters get their benefits gobbled up quickly.

In Atlanta there's a miniature version of this dispute going on right now. Assessments had lagged behind actual values for years, and then they suddenly went up massively. Something like a fifth of homeowners had their assessment increase 50%. Mine doubled; some reported increasing as much as 400%.

Tax assessments should be limited to increase at some amount, but not below the rate of normal house price inflation.
This is fair, I agree they should not be held below expected inflation rates. I was thinking only about the act of capping the increase, not the actual rate it is capped at.

Also, I think the max should compound each year regardless of whether the price increases or not, i.e. if I buy a house in year 0 at $100, and the cap is 3% per year, then even if the house remains at $100 for the next 3 years the cap should go up each year i.e. I would support

Year 0: Value $100, Cap $100, Actual assessment $100
Year 1: Value $103, Cap $103, Actual assessment $103
Year 2: Value $106, Cap $106.09, Actual assessment $106 and also

Year 0: Value $100, Cap $100, Actual assessment $100
Year 1: Value $100, Cap $103, Actual assessment $100
Year 2: Value $106, Cap $106.09, Actual assessment $106
06-23-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Drumpf ... Such a tough spot.
There should be plenty of others coming up.
06-23-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12


He has not apologized



He has apologized!
Did you see the WH response?

"The President has condemned violence in all forms..."

Yeah, ALL forms. Except when Trump is the one advocating for it. Or if the victim is Obama or Hillary, or a minority. Or if it happens in a Country or City he doesn't like. Or if it's performed by a white Republican.

Shall I go on Trumpkins? Or are these facts enough to show how big a doubletalking douche your orange clown is.
06-23-2017 , 05:17 PM
You know what's even more bull****? Churches not paying any property tax. **** that.
06-23-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
You know what's even more bull****? Churches not paying any property tax. **** that.
Finally! A true commonality between Trump and religion.
06-23-2017 , 06:27 PM
While it's fair to blame Obama and his administration somewhat, it's also important to remember what happened when they went to the Gang of Eight. The optimal play here, in a world where both sides have the slightest of morals and a teeny tiny bit of backbone, would have been to make a bipartisan announcement with Obama and the Gang of Eight. But McConnell and the Republicans were like, "Oh, cool, the Russians are helping us? Awesome!"

At that point, Obama didn't have much of a play. Perhaps he could have moved unilaterally beforehand by seeing that coming... But I'm not sure it was reasonable to expect the Republicans to be cool with the hostile foreign country they have railed against in the past interfering with our election.

Maybe the play was to tell the Gang of Eight they were trying to sway the election one way or the other, but not say which way until punitive actions were agreed upon?
06-23-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Maybe the play was to tell the Gang of Eight they were trying to sway the election one way or the other, but not say which way until punitive actions were agreed upon?
Meh. Nice thought, but this was going on in October right? By then, Manafort had come and gone and the platform was changed at the convention...and Trump hadn't said a bad word about Russia. There wouldn't have been any doubt about who Putin was favoring.
06-23-2017 , 06:54 PM
So we're up to possible...

CRIMES
Money Laundering
Abuse of Power
Emoluments
Bribery
LEAKS
Failure to Register as a Foreign Agent
Perjury
Conspiracy
Witness Intimidation
Federal Election Fraud
Obstruction of Justice
Treason

BONUS
Misleading the Public
Violation of the Oath of Office
Conflicts of Interest
Gross Incompetence

I'd say they're off to a good start.

Last edited by Our House; 06-23-2017 at 07:05 PM.
06-23-2017 , 07:06 PM
The official WH response to the Intel Committee's deadline for Comey tapes was a copy/paste of yesterday's confusing tweet.

And they missed the deadline by an hour even though the tweet has been up for 24 hours.
06-23-2017 , 07:18 PM
Tweets truly are official statements at this point
06-23-2017 , 07:25 PM
How in the holy **** is the healthcare not 24/7 on every media channel, the cover of every paper and the subject of nonstop speeches by every democrat of every level of government!!??!?!?!?!?

Jesus Christ its gutting the largest part of the social safety net and will impact 1/6th of the largest economy on earth.

Yet here I am switching channels and see every channel taking about trumps mother ****ing tweets and if muller will be fired.

God I'm really starting to hate everything about America.
06-23-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
How in the holy **** is the healthcare not 24/7 on every media channel, the cover of every paper and the subject of nonstop speeches by every democrat of every level of government!!??!?!?!?!?

Jesus Christ its gutting the largest part of the social safety net and will impact 1/6th of the largest economy on earth.

Yet here I am switching channels and see every channel taking about trumps mother ****ing tweets and if muller will be fired.

God I'm really starting to hate everything about America.
Easy. Trump = ratings. Ratings = money. Nobody's taking a vow of poverty to bring you the news you need. It's the same way with news with a point-of-view. Channels like FOX do it because it works. The channels that try to play it down the middle get killed. Collectively, it seems we've gotten to like our news with a point-of-view either from the right or the left. Its our fault.
06-23-2017 , 07:44 PM
Pretty much anyone who isn't Fox News is considered the left no matter where they are.
06-23-2017 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Yesterday's interview with the Ukrainian president is the type of thing that makes things more difficult for those who want Trump out. Both for general reasons and specifically because it makes it harder to believe that Trump colluded with Russia. Unless the Ukrainian president wasn't saying what he really thinks. That's not possible is it?

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...e-single-shot/
.......lol
06-23-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
How in the holy **** is the healthcare not 24/7 on every media channel, the cover of every paper and the subject of nonstop speeches by every democrat of every level of government!!??!?!?!?!?

Jesus Christ its gutting the largest part of the social safety net and will impact 1/6th of the largest economy on earth.

Yet here I am switching channels and see every channel taking about trumps mother ****ing tweets and if muller will be fired.

God I'm really starting to hate everything about America.
At this very moment I'm at the car wash and the TV is playing ****er Carlson, huge tag line basically screaming "WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THE VIOLENCE FROM THE LEFT."

Pretty sure they're not gonna be talking about healthcare anytime soon with all these violent libtards running the streets.
06-23-2017 , 08:59 PM
the scariest thing about trump is in the 2020 presidential debates the democrat will literally say, "you promised to raise taxes on hedge fund billionaires and you ended up cutting their taxes bigly" and trump will just say "no i didn't do that" and mike pence will chuckle and shake his head in disbelief because nothing matters anymore
06-23-2017 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
This seems pretty fair. It'd be a shame to force people to sell their houses because the value went up and now they can't afford the taxes.
. Yep. In California without it the vast vast majority of older people who have lived in their homes for a long time would have to sell and move. My parents probably would have had to move, my mother-in-law definitely would have had to move, and maybe my father-in-law too.
06-23-2017 , 09:29 PM


I laughed too hard at this. Since trump denied anything at all forever and now saw the wapo thing and instinctively realized he could slam obama for it w/o any self awareness he's confirming russian meddling. Until he denies it again next week anyway.
06-23-2017 , 09:31 PM
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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 44 minutes ago

Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?

Cannot help himself.

Last edited by Max Cut; 06-23-2017 at 09:36 PM. Reason: ...cannot help my pony
06-23-2017 , 09:40 PM
Idiot.

Not Mueller, Trump. Mueller's eating this up.
06-23-2017 , 09:52 PM
rofl that tweet. he never ceases to amaze me
06-23-2017 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Response 1: And you knew before Obama did. Oops?

Response 2: You're right. He should have had you hung for treason the minute you publicly called on Russia to hack Hillary's emails. Remember, you weren't supposed to know it was Russia back then. Oops?

Response 3: So not only did "Piss Tape" Vladdie and the leaky grandstander chameleon help you win the election AND own you afterwards, but so did that Black Muslim wiretapper you just can't get rid of. Oops?
06-23-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Cannot help himself.
So ummm. He just confirmed the report in an official white house correspondence, yes?

      
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