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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-21-2017 , 10:39 AM
I mean if they have a valid beef it's a trivially easy thing to fix if they actually want to move on it.
06-21-2017 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Please explain how? That's a false narrative. HRC is the reason Trump won.
Please explain how? That's a false narrative. Russia is the reason Trump won.
06-21-2017 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I mean if they have a valid beef it's a trivially easy thing to fix if they actually want to move on it.
They have no intention of fixing anything. They just want their share of the pie and the "Obama" part removed from Obamacare.

Wait, which thing are we talking about again?
06-21-2017 , 10:48 AM
Kyle Griffin‏ @kylegriffin1
Nat'l Law Journal: New member of Mueller's legal team appears to be fluent in Russian http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id...o-Russia-Probe

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...86031694942208
06-21-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Incredible. They're still holding out for that one potential anti-abortion legislation 5 years from now, and are willing to throw everyone, including democracy, including themselves and their families, under the bus waiting for it.

Nah, I seriously agree with others here. Racism is the biggest and most likely explanation for Republican behavior. Not GOP, or selfish rich bastard voters, but your average Republican. What else is there to cause such unwavering acceptance of any harm done to them and their country, that they absolutely cannot talk about out loud?
Bigotry / xenophobia is what GOP uses to garner support for their donor class' desired policies, so yeah it's hard to disagree when 9 of 10 talking points Joe Sixpack cares about involve white male grievances.
06-21-2017 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
They have no intention of fixing anything. They just want their share of the pie and the "Obama" part removed from Obamacare.

Wait, which thing are we talking about again?
The sanctions bill that passed the Senate 98-2

House GOP is saying it's not "constitutional" because "spending bills must originate in the House"

I'm not sure how it's a "spending" bill but if so the House could make very minor tweaks to it to fix the issue, instead they are saying they won't move on it at all and want the Senate to fix it and send it back.
06-21-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Please explain how? That's a false narrative. HRC is the reason Trump won.
cheeto didn't win thanks for playing tho
06-21-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
The sanctions bill that passed the Senate 98-2
I know. Hence the joke about interchangeable GOP bills.

Shouldn't joke I guess. Everything these guys do is utterly disgraceful. I hope they all get hurt, badly.
06-21-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Please explain how? That's a false narrative. Russia is the reason Trump won.
On Sunday, Schiff appeared to back off his earlier comments somewhat. Pressed on ABC News to explain the nature of the evidence of collusion, the lawmaker said: "Well, I think there is evidence. I can't go into the particulars of our closed investigation. But I also think there is also evidence of obstruction. But in both cases, I would say, whether there is some evidence doesn't mean there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt."

The dems need to stop lying to their supporters. When the truth comes out that the Russian's didn't cause the orange one to win the election there is going to have to be some real soul searching as to why they keep losing.

Last edited by raradevils; 06-21-2017 at 12:27 PM.
06-21-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Please explain how? That's a false narrative. HRC is the reason Trump won.
Why are you and Trump still clinging to a brag about last year's election anyway?

You should be bragging about him NOW. C'mon, let's hear what a great PRESIDENT the man is. Talk about the wonderful things he has been accomplishing. How the US is respected now and no longer the laughing stock of the world. How our allies can all depend on us. How our enemies fear and can't get over on us or buy us out anymore. How many extra jobs are rolling in. How the deals we're making are good for the country and not just what's good for Trump. How those deals actually exist and aren't just talk of possibilities 9 years from now as a facade for making the President rich and more powerful. How great the Obamacare replacement is. How...

Oh **** it. I could finish writing this post by tomorrow. You'll never catch on.
06-21-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
On Sunday, Schiff appeared to back off his earlier comments somewhat. Pressed on ABC News to explain the nature of the evidence of collusion, the lawmaker said: "Well, I think there is evidence. I can't go into the particulars of our closed investigation. But I also think there is also evidence of obstruction. But in both cases, I would say, whether there is some evidence doesn't mean there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt."
No comments on the mounds of illegal activity surrounding Russia and ONLY Russia? Or is it just about what one person may or may not be able to say in public? You are dense.
06-21-2017 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Why are you and Trump still clinging to a brag about last year's election anyway?

You should be bragging about him NOW. C'mon, let's hear what a great PRESIDENT the man is. Talk about the wonderful things he has been accomplishing. How the US is respected now and no longer the laughing stock of the world. How our allies can all depend on us. How our enemies fear and can't get over on us or buy us out anymore. How many extra jobs are rolling in. How the deals we're making are good for the country and not just what's good for Trump. How those deals actually exist and aren't just talk of possibilities 9 years from now as a facade for making the President rich and more powerful. How great the Obamacare replacement is. How...

Oh **** it. I could finish writing this post by tomorrow. You'll never catch on.
Why, I didn't vote for him nor is he a great one.
06-21-2017 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Bigotry / xenophobia is what GOP uses to garner support for their donor class' desired policies, so yeah it's hard to disagree when 9 of 10 talking points Joe Sixpack cares about involve white male grievances.
Their policies are desired by their voters in general. They got 63% of the white male vote in the GE but also 53% of the white female vote, so being male matters but they did indeed get a majority of white females as well.

Last edited by aflametotheground; 06-21-2017 at 12:51 PM.
06-21-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Please explain how? That's a false narrative. HRC is the reason Trump won.
LOL. Says the guy that voted for Mr. Aleppo.

I love how everything is Clinton's fault. No, it can't be because of people like you voting 3rd Party. Yea I know, I know. You live in a state where it didn't matter. Way to abscond responsibility. You can walk around with a smug look on your face saying "Hey, don't look at me! I didn't vote for the guy!"

It can't be the GOP is so ****ed up that a reality TV show host whom bragged about sexual assault and made fun of people with disabilities beat out 18 other people in the party. Nope. It's all Clinton's fault!

Why don't you blame the voters for voting for a ****ing conman that would rape your mother/sister/wife/daughter if he felt like it? You know, personal responsibility and all that?

Nope, it's Clinton's fault amirite?
06-21-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
BWAC.
fyp
06-21-2017 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Please explain how? That's a false narrative. HRC is the reason Trump won.
If they didn't need the Russians' help, then why did the campaign collude with them?
06-21-2017 , 01:03 PM
I dont think you can say there is a single reason why she lost. She could have done some things differently, but ppl not coming out to vote against Trump is a factor, Comey might have been a factor. In terms of the logistics behind her campaign the quality was superior to Trump. Clinton cant take personal responsibility for every single factor that contributed to her loss.
06-21-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
If they didn't need the Russians' help, then why did the campaign collude with them?
According to James Clapper there still is no evidence that's all that I know. Until there is actual proof it is only speculation. Do you personally have any evidence?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ja...rticle/2622452

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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
I dont think you can say there is a single reason why she lost. She could have done some things differently, but ppl not coming out to vote against Trump is a factor, Comey might have been a factor. In terms of the logistics behind her campaign the quality was superior to Trump. Clinton cant take personal responsibility for every single factor that contributed to her loss.
Agree that's all part of it.
06-21-2017 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese


As far from ideal as Democrats are, the American public can still go **** itself for this moronic response.
Can't blame them really. Takes at least a decade for facts to filter through. They just figured out the ACA, which they like, is actually Obamacare. Boy are they going to be shocked when they find out it was EPA that protected their water from coal, chemicals, fertilizer and pig ****.
06-21-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
I'm checking out from politics for a while. All it does is enrage me, and I'm functionally powerless. I've got a wife and two kids to support and I'm not taking up arms.
First Suzzer, now Riverman. Another brave soul gone, chewed up by the rigors and sheer brutality of it all. He was truly selfless in his efforts to shout down right wingers on a poker forum.
06-21-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
According to James Clapper there still is no evidence that's all that I know. Until there is actual proof it is only speculation. Do you personally have any evidence?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ja...rticle/2622452
Uh huh, and why if they weren't colluding is there all this evidence of direct communication from key members of Trump's campaign and important Russians in an election they were losing?

Facts:

1. Trump was losing (and went on to lose) by millions of votes
2. The Russians were actively attempting to prevent that (Comey sworn testimony)
3. Properly influencing the election would have been much easier with help from the campaign and their polling information
4. Trump pulled off an upset victory by a narrow margin. Maybe as little as 75,000 votes.
5. Since winning, Trump has been actively trying to shut down the investigation into Russia, including firing the guy in charge of it just prior to asking him to 'lay off' Mike Flynn. He then laughs about it with the Russians in a secret meeting.
6. More and more members of the Trump campaign have been shown to be in direct communication with members of the Russian government, including Manafort, Stone, Kushner, Page, Flynn and others. Stone even said that when he heard of the Comey firing he enjoyed a nice glass of wine and a cigar to celebrate.


Don't know what else you need, rara. It's not like you need a six man search party here to see the connections.
06-21-2017 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Uh huh, and why if they weren't colluding is there all this evidence of direct communication from key members of Trump's campaign and important Russians in an election they were losing?

Facts:

1. Trump was losing (and went on to lose) by millions of votes
2. The Russians were actively attempting to prevent that (Comey sworn testimony)
3. Properly influencing the election would have been much easier with help from the campaign and their polling information
4. Trump pulled off an upset victory by a narrow margin. Maybe as little as 75,000 votes.
5. Since winning, Trump has been actively trying to shut down the investigation into Russia, including firing the guy in charge of it just prior to asking him to 'lay off' Mike Flynn. He then laughs about it with the Russians in a secret meeting.
6. More and more members of the Trump campaign have been shown to be in direct communication with members of the Russian government, including Manafort, Stone, Kushner, Page, Flynn and others. Stone even said that when he heard of the Comey firing he enjoyed a nice glass of wine and a cigar to celebrate.


Don't know what else you need, rara. It's not like you need a six man search party here to see the connections.
For someone that claims to have voted for Gary Johnson and doesn't like Trump, rara sure seems to like Trump.
06-21-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Kyle Griffin‏ @kylegriffin1
Nat'l Law Journal: New member of Mueller's legal team appears to be fluent in Russian http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id...o-Russia-Probe

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...86031694942208
btw, thanks for providing these regular mueller updates, i like it
06-21-2017 , 01:58 PM
If you deny there's a Trump/Russian connection at this point, you are either a ****ing idiot or a 100% die hard Trumpkin. Trump LITERALLY told Russia on TV to hack Clinton's emails and people like rara are like "Gee...I dunno. Where's the evidence?"
06-21-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Why, I didn't vote for him
lol ok

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nor is he a great one.
you think he's been good so far tho right?

      
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