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06-16-2017 , 09:15 PM

#41026

Chips Ahoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Sorry meant "not guilty". And if the victim had been white and everything else had been the same, all twelve jurors would have, in your mind, voted "guilty"?

no, still not guilty. and white supremacy would still be the root problem. Likewise if the officer was black.

The big picture is other developed countries don't let their police kill people with impunity. The US does. They want the police to serve. We want our police to be jack boot thugs. To keep the people we fear afraid. Which doesn't divide exclusively by color. An irrational fear of black people leads to police with no accountability leads to police getting away with murder.

I asked a black man I know well: when did the reality of racism hit you? His answer was when he started driving. Obeying the traffic laws didn't matter. The police would stop him often, for no reason. Car too nice, not nice enough, the time of day, whatever.

Quote:

An NPR analysis of those records shows that the 32-year-old cafeteria worker who was shot and killed by a police officer during a traffic stop in a St. Paul, Minn., suburb, was stopped by police 46 times and racked up more than $6,000 in fines. Another curious statistic: Of all of the stops, only six of them were things a police officer would notice from outside a car — things like speeding or having a broken muffler.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...ilando-castile

A man commits murder on camera and is acquitted. This is only surprising if you believe black lives matter is a fact today. It's not a fact, it's a plea and a demand.

Netflix documentary "13th" provides a lot of background:
https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741

06-16-2017 , 09:17 PM

#41027

microbet

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Awval,

A lot of the white upper middle class are no better in any way than "white trash rednecks."

06-16-2017 , 09:27 PM

#41028

Our House

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Rachel said Pence is at a fundraiser for is own PAC tonight. MSNBC reached out to see if the fundraiser was for legal fees (because he isn't Trump and he can't afford the defense he hired) and all they said was "His legal fees won't be paid for by tax dollars. That's all we are saying." Heh.

She also reported it's the 1st time in history a VP who wasn't running for anything had a political action committee.

06-16-2017 , 09:34 PM

#41029

Paul D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Awval,

A lot of the white upper middle class are no better in any way than "white trash rednecks."

Think that depends where you are from.

06-16-2017 , 09:34 PM

#41030

Clovis8

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Are cops EVER convicted of killing black people in the US?

06-16-2017 , 09:37 PM

#41031

TimmayB

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Are cops EVER convicted of killing black people in the US?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Never.

06-16-2017 , 09:39 PM

#41032

JPantz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

Trump can't hook a brother up? Like with all the money that the Trumps/Kush have, they can flow their boy Pence a few hundred k for a lawyer?

06-16-2017 , 09:39 PM

#41033

Chips Ahoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Are cops EVER convicted of killing black people in the US?

Not even pretend cops (George Zimmerman)

06-16-2017 , 09:41 PM

#41034

Our House

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LFS

What in God's name is going on with his hands in this picture?

Not sure, but if only Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell had a turtle son, we all know how he would turn out.

06-16-2017 , 09:41 PM

#41035

longmissedblind

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JPantz

Trump can't hook a brother up? Like with all the money that the Trumps/Kush have, they can flow their boy Pence a few hundred k for a lawyer?

Pretty sure they have to get permission from the Kremlin on purchases that big

06-16-2017 , 09:45 PM

#41036

einbert

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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...84114280423428

06-16-2017 , 09:53 PM

#41037

adios

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy

They voted NOT guilty because they believed being black and in (legal) possession of a gun is enough for an officer to reasonably feel his life is in danger. White supremacy is the supreme law of the land.

Doubtful the black jurors felt that way. Police officer that shot him was Hispanic. Iron81's take is correct. Seems like a case the DOJ would have investigated for civil right violations. Not sure if that happened:

What Exactly is the Jury Weighing in the Yanez Case

06-16-2017 , 10:06 PM

#41038

Paul D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

Doubtful the black jurors felt that way. Police officer that shot him was Hispanic. Iron81's take is correct. Seems like a case the DOJ would have investigated for civil right violations. Not sure if that happened:

What Exactly is the Jury Weighing in the Yanez Case

Hispanics can't be racist? What?

06-16-2017 , 10:10 PM

#41039

Mcglaven

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

Yea the solution is better job candidates and better training so that you don't have Tackleberry shooting at everything.

This had me in tears

06-16-2017 , 10:12 PM

#41040

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

I'm talking about firing Mueller. It's literally the thing that led to Nixon's (quasi) impeachment. If Trump fires Mueller he is done, gone, kaput, auf wiedersen.

I know the gop is bending over backwards to protect Trump because they are scared as hell, and they will ignore things like emoulments for now (but would they support trump if SCt ordered him divest?), but they could not ignore firing Mueller. It's in bold print on the warning label. Just failing to heed the damn label is a clear sign of lack of fitness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

GOP might start giving a **** about their association with Trump as of today. Trump's confirmation of being under criminal obstruction investigation is the final warning. Now they start getting pulled in to his world of legal troubles, without his money and without presidential immunity.

That's the one thing besides elections that is capable of making them flinch. Mueller knows it too.

Yea, that's true. It's easy to stand behind someone when they haven't been charged w/ anything. You can always use plausible deniability. But that ship is fast sailing away. We'll see. The only thing I trust when it comes to the GOP is to do the wrong thing.

06-16-2017 , 10:21 PM

#41041

prana

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So that dumb AG memo was about the Russians saying they killed that ISIS hombre then or wtf?

06-16-2017 , 10:29 PM

#41042

patron

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

She also reported it's the 1st time in history a VP who wasn't running for anything had a political action committee.

Pence is running for re-election in 2020. The only question is if he becomes President in 2018 or 2019.

06-16-2017 , 10:41 PM

#41043

synth_floyd

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I don't know if Trump is insta-done if he fires Mueller but I think there will be a legit bi-partisan effort to make sure the investigations are seen through and to create an investigation position that Trump cannot fire and is 100% independent.

06-16-2017 , 10:41 PM

#41044

RV Life

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Does Pency want to be Prez? I assume all VP want to but he seems like a pretty beta guy.

06-16-2017 , 10:42 PM

#41045

adios

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Simplictus is right.

If Trump fires Mueller he is done. I would be done. He isn't President just because of white trash rednecks. He is President because of the (white) upper-middle class. He fires Mueller the Dow tanks 1000 points. Moderate supporters leave him. It ends his Presidency. I'll be on the streets with einbert.

Well for being an investigation that is supposed to be done in private we sure know about everything that is going on with it. I mean why aren't the government officials that are the WaPo sources going on the record? They are anonymous sources which means to me that they are leaking info that is supposed to be kept private during the investigation. So we have all these leaks happening with the Mueller investigation and why is this happening?

1. Mueller is running a shoddy investigation where he can't control the leaks.
or
2. Mueller is fine with the leaks and is using them to pursue an agenda that he has.
or
3. There are really very few leaks. The daily WaPo updates on the progress of the investigation are actually what you'd expect even though their sources aren't going on the record. WaPo isn't really getting a scoop on this.
or
4. The anonymous sources are bogus.

I think the answer is behind door number 2.

06-16-2017 , 10:42 PM

#41046

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Nope, Avwal said he's done. D-O-N-E.

06-16-2017 , 10:46 PM

#41047

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

Well for being an investigation that is supposed to be done in private we sure know about everything that is going on with it. I mean why aren't the government officials that are the WaPo sources going on the record? They are anonymous sources which means to me that their leaking info that is supposed to be kept private during the investigation. So we have all these leaks happening with the Mueller investigation and why is this happening?

1. Mueller is running a shoddy investigation where he can't control the leaks.
or
2. Mueller is fine with the leaks and is using them to pursue an agenda that he has.
or
3. There are really very few leaks. The daily WaPo updates on the progress of the investigation are actually what you'd expect even though their sources aren't going on the record. WaPo isn't really getting a scoop on this.
or
4. The anonymous sources are bogus.

I think the answer is behind door number 2.

What information is actually being leaked that hasn't already been leaked by Daddy Orange? Your daddy is the one that confirmed he was being investigated for Obstruction of Justice. And don't give me the Comey BS. That was not classified information.

Instead of getting mad at Mueller, Comey, or the media, why don't you get mad at Daddy Orange for being a ****ing idiot that can't keep his mouth shut?