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06-16-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Spottswoode
Bannon under investigation for obstruction now. Apparently physically threatened some WH staffers and wouldn't let them leave a room.
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Cite?
Top google results are that Claude Taylor guy with backup from Louise Mensch, so this is definitely not happening
06-16-2017 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I'm frankly surprised Trump hasn't fired Mueller yet and made up some mumbo jumbo that the President has the Constitutional authority to do whatever he wants. What are the real repercussions? The answer is: political fallout. But yet again we'd inevitably just be right back to the GOP-controlled Congress needing to hold him accountable. I assume he must be calculating that his chances are way better rolling the dice with Ryan and McConnell than letting the process play out, and he has to be correct on that, right? I'm not arguing he's precisely free-rolling with this, maybe Congress finally moves. But I'm just surprised he hasn't done it yet anyway.
I think if it was 100% trump he would have already fired him. Sometimes his rock-headed influencers get through to him it seems but I suspect he steams over it and brings it up several times a day.
06-16-2017 , 04:32 PM
The Ras stuff is kind of worrying because they are the only pollster that I know of that does LV filters for approval ratings. Trump having a 38% approval average on FiveThirtyEight is great for the Resistance, but if he's anywhere near 50% with actual voters come 2018 and 2020, then we're in bad shape.
06-16-2017 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Spottswoode
Bannon under investigation for obstruction now. Apparently physically threatened some WH staffers and wouldn't let them leave a room.
ohplease ohplease ohplease

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Top google results are that Claude Taylor guy with backup from Louise Mensch, so this is definitely not happening
Aw, dammit.
06-16-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
The Ras stuff is kind of worrying because they are the only pollster that I know of that does LV filters for approval ratings. Trump having a 38% approval average on FiveThirtyEight is great for the Resistance, but if he's anywhere near 50% with actual voters come 2018 and 2020, then we're in bad shape.
They also appear to have Ipsos with an LV screen. The size of the jump in Rasmussen is quite strange, actually. It had been pretty consistent previously. I wonder if they changed something in their methodology.
06-16-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
By the way...
Good summary, thanks. I'll be satisfied if we stay above 40 seats. Happy to be proven wrong, but it seems crazy to hope to tie up the Senate in 2018.
06-16-2017 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
So the people who brought us "Assad Did Not Use Chemical Weapons" now say the ISIS CINC is possibly dead lol
Probably a back channel deal between the WH and Kremlin to try and put a better shine on Russia as they help us fight terror.

Although not sure why anyone thinks killing the "leader" of ISIS is going to change much of anything. ISIS is not exactly a group that requires a single, charismatic leader to do what they are doing.

I certainly would not be sad if the news is true. It would indeed be good news. Although people need to understand that the US motives for fighting ISIS and Russia are drastically different. Russia just wants ISIS out of their direct spehere of influence otherwise they would not care at all.
06-16-2017 , 04:46 PM
You think a 2016 LV screen, esp whatever garbage Ras uses, is going to apply post Mueller firing? Check the VA gov race. Another poll had republican approval off like 15 pts in last month.
06-16-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
You think a 2016 LV screen, esp whatever garbage Ras uses, is going to apply post Mueller firing? Check the VA gov race. Another poll had republican approval off like 15 pts in last month.
He hasn't fired Mueller. Can you answer my earlier post, basically asking why do you think firing Mueller would be a big deal at the polls?

I personally would think it was a huge deal fwiw, but I wasn't voting GOP anyway.
06-16-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
They also appear to have Ipsos with an LV screen. The size of the jump in Rasmussen is quite strange, actually. It had been pretty consistent previously. I wonder if they changed something in their methodology.
On Fivethirtyeight, they have Ipsos as polling adults. PPP polls registered voters (RVs), but that's a necessary but not sufficient condition to be an LV.
06-16-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
How does Mueller avoid massive conflict of interest here? Leaving him in place is a great option for Trump, any Mueller investigation is compromised by definition.
Lol silly goose
06-16-2017 , 04:55 PM
Don't cite that idiot with the Bannon rumor. AND DON'T REPEAT THE **** HE TWEETS WITH NO CITE.
06-16-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
On Fivethirtyeight, they have Ipsos as polling adults. PPP polls registered voters (RVs), but that's a necessary but not sufficient condition to be an LV.
When I look here I see a Jun 11-15 Ipsos poll of 402 LV. I think Ipsos releases results both for LV and all adults, so they show up on both lists, but with different numbers.
06-16-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LFS
What in God's name is going on with his hands in this picture?
He bought Carl Weather's prop hand from Happy Gilmore and is trying it out.
06-16-2017 , 05:01 PM
The more I look at his right hand the more it reminds me of a Dali clock melting.
06-16-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
When I look here I see a Jun 11-15 Ipsos poll of 402 LV. I think Ipsos releases results both for LV and all adults, so they show up on both lists, but with different numbers.
Thanks, I never saw that tab before.
06-16-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
He hasn't fired Mueller. Can you answer my earlier post, basically asking why do you think firing Mueller would be a big deal at the polls?

I personally would think it was a huge deal fwiw, but I wasn't voting GOP anyway.
I posted earlier why firing Mueller would be a disaster. There are full on trumptards out there, but a lot more were Trump curious and it's not going well and not getting better. Elected reubs aren't even Trump curious, just scared. Everything is calm until the avalanche actually happens, and once it begins Trump will be a man on an island.
06-16-2017 , 05:04 PM
Even this cuba stuff is bad politics. Nothing Trump is doing is good politics.
06-16-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Good summary, thanks. I'll be satisfied if we stay above 40 seats. Happy to be proven wrong, but it seems crazy to hope to tie up the Senate in 2018.
Losing seats would be pretty bad, given that if we run the table on holds/steals in '20 we only gain four. We need to stand our ground, at worst. If we fall to 40-44, the GOP will hold the Senate in 2020. Also, if the Dems lose seats in the Senate in what should be a blue wave election, it reassures Republicans that they can keep passing unpopular laws, etc, and they'll never lose the Senate.

I expect the seats in Arizona and Nevada to flip, which means that the Dems could lose, say, North Dakota and Montana and stay steady at 48. West Virginia, Indiana and Missouri are critical. The handful of swing states should be held without too much of a sweat if it is, in fact, a blue wave... Of course, that's independent of any scandals/local news that impacts specific races.
06-16-2017 , 05:15 PM

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/875792882757664768


Thread speculating on possibility of Trump being untouchable, drawing a parallel to his campaign where many observers went so far as to question wether he was trying to lose ("...it was a chilling sign he knew something they didn't").

Papa Putin has a plan?
06-16-2017 , 05:18 PM
A senator from Minnesota on Chuck Todd is saying they got a brief from Rosentien and he told them he wrote the memo after he found out Trump was going to fire Comey. The memo is not the reason for the firing.
06-16-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
The memo is not the reason for the firing.
Didn't we already know this from the Lester Holt interview?
06-16-2017 , 05:26 PM
lawmakers have probably gotten afraid of crazy persons with guns, now paul ryan and pelosi appear together in a interview with cnn at a baseball match


Last edited by aflametotheground; 06-16-2017 at 05:33 PM.
06-16-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Didn't we already know this from the Lester Holt interview?
Yes, but I guess the info is new that Rosenstein wrote the memo after finding out Trump was going to fire Comey, as opposed to writing the memo beforehand w/o necessarily knowing Trump would fire him anyway.
06-16-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/875792882757664768


Thread speculating on possibility of Trump being untouchable, drawing a parallel to his campaign where many observers went so far as to question wether he was trying to lose ("...it was a chilling sign he knew something they didn't").

Papa Putin has a plan?
nah, trump's been untouchable his entire life, why would he think it's any different now? He thinks everybody should obey him now that he's POTUS. He wasn't trying to lose the election; but he had already won. Trump got everyone to talk about him and extend his business and corruption everywhere. For that POTUS is just an added fuel accelerant. He wouldn't have minded losing then blaming everyone but him and insisting it's all rigged.

Still don't see how firing Mueller now matters if Trump survives it--nobody's gonna remember this by 2018 elections, we can't remember what happened 2 months ago in the trump administration much less by 2018 or 2020. A ton of things are going to happen between now and then in a trump pres.

      
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