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06-16-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
How does Mueller avoid massive conflict of interest here? Leaving him in place is a great option for Trump, any Mueller investigation is compromised by definition.
06-16-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Subfallen
Trump creating more legal jobs than coal jobs.
06-16-2017 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
A lot of Cubans in S. FL voted for Trump b/c his authoritarian nature appealed to them. And now, they will be directly hurt. Classic case of voting against your own self interests.
Cubans in FL have been voting Republican for ages, it had zilch to do with Trump being an authoritarian.
06-16-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Because you say there's no chance. If Dems flip congress in 08 there is a chance. Which is totally possible if Republicans don't appease the masses by then.

I think there's little to no chance Congress flips completely in 18 because of the seats up in the Senate. Dems are defending more vulnerable seats than the GOP, Dems will need to win the 3 where GOP is vulnerable and then run the table on seats they are defending, that is a huge longshot.
06-16-2017 , 03:18 PM
Checked breitbart to see what the reaction would be about Trump's DACA ruling and they don't even have a headline for it.
06-16-2017 , 03:19 PM
[...]

The White House has said that Mueller interviewed with Trump for the FBI position to replace Comey. The day before he was made special counsel. Presumably, if this conversation occurred, Trump may have explained why he fired Comey and what he was looking for in his replacement. With obstruction now confirmed as a focus of the special counsel investigation, that makes Mueller a possible witness. It certainly raises the issue of whether Trump shared any thoughts material to his firing of Comey.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...ueller-may-not


lol
06-16-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
And override Trump's veto (assuming dems could peel off a majority with GOP stragglers)?

The real answer is that if Trump fires Mueller, GOP gets max 40% in 2018, and dems spend 2019 impeaching him. Also, if Trump fires Mueller I would expect maybe 10% of GOP House mebers to basically become independent contractors and criticize Trump, etc. Basically, it would be Pandora's box. Trump and the GOP might survive, but I wouldn't bet even money.
Why do you think firing Mueller will cost the GOP many votes? It doesn't seem to me that GOP Joe Average cares very much about rule of law, the Constitution outside of 2A, etc. They vote more on greed and grievance. I'm sure a large majority agree that Trump should be left alone to rule.
06-16-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop


50%'s good enough to brag about though.
It's like getting a C-minus on a test graded with a curve.
06-16-2017 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
There's no way Pence is saying that on his own right?
mike pence knows how to kiss a man's ass. trump is feeling a lot of pressure right now and is liable to start firing ANYONE who displeases him. chris christie desperately needs a graceful exit from his governor job and he was trump's first choice for VP, meaning it was trump's gut decision, meaning he still wants it because trump's brain is 90% gut
06-16-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Would Rosenstein recusing himself actually be a good thing? Of the many swamp monsters infesting the DOJ, he seems like he might be the least bad, given what was posted about Rachel Brand earlier.
It would put Chump on a level of tilt that would make make Hellmuth blush
06-16-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Cubans in FL have been voting Republican for ages, it had zilch to do with Trump being an authoritarian.
I lived in S FL for 10 years. A lot of Cubans voted for Obama.

RMoney won 52-48 in 2012.

Trump won 54-41 in 2016.

He certainly appealed to them for a reason; especially considering Clinton won the non-Latino vote 71-26.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...-backed-trump/

I know this is anecdotal, but I am friends with 3 Cuban-Americans. Each of them love Trump and when that bus video tape came out, they applauded him for being "a real man that doesn't take no for an answer." And these guys are married men w/ families.
06-16-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
mike pence knows how to kiss a man's ass. trump is feeling a lot of pressure right now and is liable to start firing ANYONE who displeases him. chris christie desperately needs a graceful exit from his governor job and he was trump's first choice for VP, meaning it was trump's gut decision, meaning he still wants it because trump's brain is 90% gut
Pres cant fire vp.
06-16-2017 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
There's no way Pence is saying that on his own right?
Blink twice if the Orange man touched your no no place.
06-16-2017 , 03:39 PM
He could ask him to resign. He could threaten him with "tapes." Could be quite a spectacle.
06-16-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
A lot of Cubans in S. FL voted for Trump b/c his authoritarian nature appealed to them. And now, they will be directly hurt. Classic case of voting against your own self interests.
South Florida Cubans are overwhelmingly Repube and have been since the Bay of Pigs. They're a voting bloc in a swing state though so the GOP keeps this garbage with Cuba going decade after decade to placate their feelings.

Pretending a single **** is given about the human rights of Cubans is laughable with all the orb-touching and sword-dancing in SA and buddying up to every authoritative asswhole between Turkey and the Philippines.
06-16-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
RMoney won 52-48 in 2012.

Trump won 54-41 in 2016.

He certainly appealed to them for a reason; especially considering Clinton won the non-Latino vote 71-26.
Meanwhile Little Marco and Diaz-Balart are entrenched for life because of the Cuban vote.
06-16-2017 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop


50%'s good enough to brag about though.
Trump's approval is rising, maybe the Russian hacked Rasmussen?
06-16-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Checked breitbart to see what the reaction would be about Trump's DACA ruling and they don't even have a headline for it.
They were expanding post election and have since lost over 90% of their advertisers and over 50% of their viewers. I'm surprised the lights are still on.
06-16-2017 , 04:10 PM
It's definitely much harder to run a site like that when you aren't the opposition anymore.
06-16-2017 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I think there's little to no chance Congress flips completely in 18 because of the seats up in the Senate. Dems are defending more vulnerable seats than the GOP, Dems will need to win the 3 where GOP is vulnerable and then run the table on seats they are defending, that is a huge longshot.
By the way, these are the three where the GOP is most vulnerable:

Nevada (Dean Heller)
Arizona (Jeff Flake)
Texas (Ted Cruz)

Yup, that's right. Ted Cruz is the third most vulnerable Republican in the Senate in 2018. Getting it to 50-50 would be a huge upset for the Dems. While I expect them to win Nevada and Arizona, holding the line on their seats in Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, West Virginia, Missouri, Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania would be a feat in and of itself.

If you want to make a case one of the other GOP seats is more vulnerable than Cruz, feel free. Here are their seats up for re-election and the Cook PVI of those states. For a point of reference, GA-06, where Ossoff is leading in the polls, is R+8. However, it's a very ideal red district for Democrats (highly educated/lots of moderate Republicans).

Nevada (D+1)
Arizona (R+5)
Texas (R+8)
Mississippi (R+9)
Nebraska (R+14)
Tennessee (R+14)
Utah (R+20)
Wyoming (R+25)

By contrast, here's the Democrats list (including the two independents who caucus with Dems). A couple of the most vulnerable Dems are also only one-term Senators, so whereas some of them have a history of winning in a red state (Manchin and McCaskill come to mind), others do not and pulled it off once.

West Virginia (R+20)
North Dakota (R+16)
Montana (R+11)
Missouri (R+9)
Indiana (R+9)
Ohio (R+3)
Florida (R+2)
Wisconsin (EVEN)
Pennsylvania (EVEN)
Virginia (D+1)
Minnesota (D+1)
Michigan (D+1)
New Mexico (D+3)
Maine (D+3)
Eleven Others are D+6 or better

Meanwhile, the House is gerrymandered so badly that the Dems need to win by a sizable margin nationally to retake it. That I expect to see happen, but holding ground or gaining 1-2 seats in the Senate would be awesome. In 2020, the Democrats only need to defend Virginia and Michigan, but the Republicans have to defend Colorado, Iowa, Maine and North Carolina. So, getting it to 50-50 in '18 means the Democrats could take it all in 2020.
06-16-2017 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I lived in S FL for 10 years. A lot of Cubans voted for Obama.

RMoney won 52-48 in 2012.

Trump won 54-41 in 2016.

He certainly appealed to them for a reason; especially considering Clinton won the non-Latino vote 71-26.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...-backed-trump/

I know this is anecdotal, but I am friends with 3 Cuban-Americans. Each of them love Trump and when that bus video tape came out, they applauded him for being "a real man that doesn't take no for an answer." And these guys are married men w/ families.

I'm sure there are lots of Cuban Obama voters, but overall they still historically vote R much more than other Latino groups, largely because of the GOP's hardline stance on Castro.
06-16-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
A lot of Cubans in S. FL voted for Trump b/c his authoritarian nature appealed to them. And now, they will be directly hurt. Classic case of voting against your own self interests.
I thought this would be true as well, and said as much before the election. However, granting that we'll never be able to filter down to just Cubans, it turned out that HRC outperformed Obama in Miami-Dade. So it doesn't seem Cubans on the whole found Trump particularly inspiring.

Last edited by AllTheCheese; 06-16-2017 at 04:30 PM.
06-16-2017 , 04:24 PM
Bannon under investigation for obstruction now. Apparently physically threatened some WH staffers and wouldn't let them leave a room.
06-16-2017 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop


50%'s good enough to brag about though.
What in God's name is going on with his hands in this picture?
06-16-2017 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Spottswoode
Bannon under investigation for obstruction now. Apparently physically threatened some WH staffers and wouldn't let them leave a room.
Cite?

      
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