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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-16-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Why do people follow his twitter? It contains nothing of value. It's just endless whinning.
if by "nothing of value", you mean several incriminating/damning statements that have already been used against him in courts of law
06-16-2017 , 12:07 PM
Very good article.

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As criminal cases, Lubbock and Spokane were well in hand. By now, the FBI of old would have placed the suspects under arrest. Waiting raised the risk that they might slip surveillance and flee or launch an unexpected attack. But Mueller has changed this way of thinking. Moving in too soon would tip the FBI's hand, risking the loss of valuable intelligence. Harpham and Aldawsari looked like classic lone wolves, but investigators could not yet rule out accomplices. Were there opportunities to trace a network of support — financial, operational or ideological — that might lead to plotters of otherwise unrelated attacks?

This new way of thinking "is wickedly important to him," says Tracy Reinhold, the FBI's assistant director for intelligence. "You want to make sure that you gather all the intelligence you can possibly get before you decide to disrupt."

Mueller dug in, detail by granular detail. Did Harpham have offline contacts with his online correspondents in the Vanguard News Network, where he posted messages calling for race war? Had his Army service at Fort Lewis, Wash., overlapped with soldiers there who provoked a scandal with white-supremacist tattoos? What was holding up delivery of Harpham's Army DNA records?
http://content.time.com/time/magazin...8082-3,00.html

And now 13 attorneys are looking into Trump and associates 24/7. Hopefully, the tumor will be excised and the country will be better off as a result.
06-16-2017 , 12:12 PM
lol thinking Linzie is going to stand up to this clown

06-16-2017 , 12:18 PM
Lindsey Graham is the worst. He pretty much openly says that everything Trump wants is what he wants, Trump is just supposed to know what to say publicly and what to keep secret.

He's hardly alone in being the worst though. There are a lot of ties for last place.
06-16-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Very good article.



http://content.time.com/time/magazin...8082-3,00.html

And now 13 attorneys are looking into Trump and associates 24/7. Hopefully, the tumor will be excised and the country will be better off as a result.
Hopefully. However...

I can't shake the thoughts of how Trump and his supporters won't go down easy. It's an understatement. Real scary.
06-16-2017 , 12:30 PM
last night: rosenstein: don't believe press reports about investigations

this morning: trump: IM UNDER INVESTIGATION WTF
06-16-2017 , 12:49 PM


I can almost empathize with his frustration on this lol
06-16-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
Big bombshell coming tomorrow?
Sounds more like it is about the leak that Trump and Kushner are investigated. For all i know both haven´t been official statements.
06-16-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat


I can almost empathize with his frustration on this lol


Unnamed sauces tho
06-16-2017 , 01:02 PM
So Spicey will say that Trump wasn't confirming an investigation at his press thing today, then around 6 o'clock Trump will tweet something about definitely being under investigation.
06-16-2017 , 01:02 PM
My personal prediction:

Trump did nothing illegal during the campaign. He had no part in colluding with Russia or altering election results.

He will also not be indicted for obstruction. I don't even think he meant to obstruct. I think it was simply his normal thin skinned reaction to anything he views as a veiled attack. He hits back twice as hard as he's hit. It's entirely possible in my mind that he had nothing to do with collusion and still fired Comey just because he didn't like the narrative.

In short, I think Trump is too dumb and simple minded to be guilty of pulling off any sophisticated political crimes. I think the investigation will clear him of any of this.

However, his financial matter are an entirely different story. If not his businesses directly, then certainly associates around him have almost certainly engaged in money laundering with Russia and/or other foreign countries. I've said it since the beginning that if he ever gets brought down, it will be through financial ties. It's also almost certain that he's got loans from Russian oligarchs and can be compromised. Lastly, he has to be in violation of at least one or many emolument clauses. If he gets ousted from office, it will have to be from this.

I'm just putting this here in writing to see how close I was when it all comes down.

tldr; Trump will be cleared of any criminal wrong doing with Russia/campaign issues. But he or members of his inner circle will be brought down by illicit financial dealings.
06-16-2017 , 01:02 PM
Had there been a press briefing at all this week?

Also, we've been told that Trumps tweets are official statements. He says "I am under investigation" but no now that's not confirmation, just reference to the WaPo story.
06-16-2017 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Ah... she wont do that much damage unless she owes some sleazy New York real estate moguls a favor. I mean, how big are the odds of this happening?
06-16-2017 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I might be ponied here, I miss a bunch of tweets while Tapatalking.

How is this guy a noteworthy source?
06-16-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
How is this guy a noteworthy source?
He's not.
06-16-2017 , 01:08 PM
whats happening with dan coates and andrew mccabe after their really dumb appearence before the oversight committee, is there any chance they will be found in contempt of congress or pursued in any way?
06-16-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
My personal prediction:

Trump did nothing illegal during the campaign. He had no part in colluding with Russia or altering election results.

He will also not be indicted for obstruction. I don't even think he meant to obstruct. I think it was simply his normal thin skinned reaction to anything he views as a veiled attack. He hits back twice as hard as he's hit. It's entirely possible in my mind that he had nothing to do with collusion and still fired Comey just because he didn't like the narrative.

In short, I think Trump is too dumb and simple minded to be guilty of pulling off any sophisticated political crimes. I think the investigation will clear him of any of this.

However, his financial matter are an entirely different story. If not his businesses directly, then certainly associates around him have almost certainly engaged in money laundering with Russia and/or other foreign countries. I've said it since the beginning that if he ever gets brought down, it will be through financial ties. It's also almost certain that he's got loans from Russian oligarchs and can be compromised. Lastly, he has to be in violation of at least one or many emolument clauses. If he gets ousted from office, it will have to be from this.

I'm just putting this here in writing to see how close I was when it all comes down.

tldr; Trump will be cleared of any criminal wrong doing with Russia/campaign issues. But he or members of his inner circle will be brought down by illicit financial dealings.
Damn. I agree with a lot of this.

I think Trump, or at least Trump's people, are smart enough to keep him out of anything that would directly tie him to Rusher interference in the election. It is entirely possible that someone from the campaign colluded, but there is probably plenty of plausible deniability. Surely he learned a lesson from his br0 Chris Christie.

I think what he is most worried about is precisely the financial stuff, which also helps explain his refusal to release his tax returns.

(That said, IF Flynn/Kush/others talked sanctions with Rusher before he took office, they almost certainly had Trump's tacit approval to do so...there's literally no way they do any of that on their own)
06-16-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
whats happening with dan coates and andrew mccabe after their really dumb appearence before the oversight committee, is there any chance they will be found in contempt of congress or pursued in any way?
It's possible. I personally doubt it happens in this spot, though.

If the Dems controlled Congress I can easily see them bringing up contempt of congress and perhaps charging both of them (along with Sessions) but they aren't so meh.
06-16-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat


I can almost empathize with his frustration on this lol
Empathy schmempathy.

We're supposed to believe that the ONE TIME he took some other human's advice is also the one time he committed a crime that could also be an impeachable offense?

EDIT: More to come from Mueller.

Last edited by Our House; 06-16-2017 at 01:37 PM.
06-16-2017 , 01:21 PM


doooo eeeeeeeet
06-16-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
My personal prediction:

Trump did nothing illegal during the campaign. He had no part in colluding with Russia or altering election results.

He will also not be indicted for obstruction. I don't even think he meant to obstruct. I think it was simply his normal thin skinned reaction to anything he views as a veiled attack. He hits back twice as hard as he's hit. It's entirely possible in my mind that he had nothing to do with collusion and still fired Comey just because he didn't like the narrative.

In short, I think Trump is too dumb and simple minded to be guilty of pulling off any sophisticated political crimes. I think the investigation will clear him of any of this.
I agree that he might not have broken the law willfully, BUT ignorance is no excuse in law. He is just so incompetent that he will have broken a couple of laws without knowing the things he did were illegal. Just look how bad he is handling all of this. It all wouldnt be as big is he would just shut his mouth.
06-16-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
I agree that he might not have broken the law willfully, BUT ignorance is no excuse in law.
Not usually but it's incredible how much slack Congress is willing to give Trump while he learns on the job.
06-16-2017 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
If the Dems controlled Congress I can easily see them bringing up contempt of congress and perhaps charging both of them (along with Sessions) but they aren't so meh.
Not a chance of this ever happening.
06-16-2017 , 01:40 PM
don't blame me, blame obama, i'm just doing the opposite of what he did
06-16-2017 , 01:43 PM
Last 2 paragraphs of that 2011 Time article are gold.

"Mueller maintains that the FBI's police role complements intelligence gathering. "Because of the cooperation we get in just about every case, because of plea bargains, we get a substantial amount of intelligence," he says. The hardened terrorists of myth, he says, "are like everybody else. There are very few that have not in some way cooperated for some period of time."

Most people inside the bureau believe that the blown opportunities to head off 9/11 would not recur today. Even among the FBI's doubters, few disagree that the bureau has come a long way. Comey, whom Mueller has described privately as his preferred successor, says it will take another generation to reach the goals that Mueller set. "I think he has started the turning of the cultural battleship," Comey says. "I don't know if it's a quarter-turn or a half-turn, but the job of the next director is to keep pushing.""

Think Mueller minds that his personal choice to continue his long term reforms of the fbi was fired 7 years early so some political hack appointed by a playboy draft dodger who idolizes the mob could take over?

I'd think any knowledgeable lawyer, and they've met with a few, would have informed Trump that Mueller is an existential threat. But so is firing him. Heck of a pickle.

Last edited by simplicitus; 06-16-2017 at 01:50 PM.

      
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