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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-15-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich

Maddow is the left version of Hannity.
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lol
06-15-2017 , 05:08 PM
Pence hires outside counsel to deal with Russia probe inquiries
Cullen, a former Virginia attorney general, served as the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia under President George H. W. Bush and worked on President George W. Bush’s legal team during the Florida recount in the 2000 presidential election.

His other high-profile clients have included Tom DeLay, the former Republican majority leader who was investigated by the Department of Justice for his relationship with Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff; Elin Nordegren, the ex-wife of Tiger Woods, in her divorce from the golf star; and former senator Paul Trible (R-Va.), during the Iran-Contra investigation.
06-15-2017 , 05:13 PM
Well, we thought there was a chance Pence was cleanish. That chance just went down quite a bit.
06-15-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Maddow is the left version of Hannity.

Slipping, your mask is.
06-15-2017 , 05:19 PM
Lobbyist for Russian interests says he attended dinners hosted by Sessions

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“I did attend two dinners with groups of former Republican foreign policy officials and Senator Sessions,” Burt said.

Asked whether Sessions was unfamiliar with Burt’s role as a lobbyist for Russian interests – a fact that is disclosed in public records – or had any reason to be confused about the issue, Burt told the Guardian that he did not know.

Several media reports published before Trump’s election in November noted that Burt advised then candidate Trump on his first major foreign policy speech, a role that brought him into contact with Sessions personally.

Burt, who previously served on the advisory board of Alfa Capital Partners, a private equity fund where Russia’s Alfa Bank was an investor and last year was lobbying on behalf of a pipeline company that is now controlled by Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled energy conglomerate, first told Politico in October that he had been invited to two dinners that were hosted by Sessions last summer, at the height of the presidential campaign.
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Other outlets, including the New Yorker magazine and Reuters, also reported last year that Burt had contributed his views to Trump’s speech. When NPR interviewed Burt in May 2016 about the talk, he said he was “asked to provide a draft for that speech, and parts of that draft survived into the final [version]”.

The speech, delivered on 27 April 2016 at the Mayflower Hotel, was attended by Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak and is now at the heart of new questions about Sessions’ personal dealings with Russian officials.
Certainly nothing to see here.
06-15-2017 , 05:26 PM
Of course Trump just happened to use a Russia lobbyist as an adviser for his first foreign policy speech

It's just another one of 127 random Russia connections for trump and his team
06-15-2017 , 05:27 PM
I think the Cheeto focuses on the investigation so intently because it's something he kinda understands. I mean he doesn't, he thinks it's just another legal dispute, but he understands public conflict/controversy, it's his wheelhouse.

If he wasn't tweeting about the investigation, he would have to be dealing with healthcare/taxes/budget/foreign policy, etc, and he doesn't understand any of that stuff. Winning the presidency is like an old wrestler trying to teach junior high, harder than it looks.

I can't even imagine what his lawyers are thinking. It's bad law, bad politics, bad policy.

The one great thing is Trump has more or less shown paul ryan that, "I'm not trapped in here with you, your trapped in here with me." It's like gop policy and the 2018 election are the baby, ryan is pleading with King Solomon not to harm it and Trump is teaching it to do shots and juggle knives.

At least Trump's insanity is giving McConnell cover to more or less pave the way for actual socialized healthcare. Hope he lives to see it implemented.

Last edited by simplicitus; 06-15-2017 at 05:32 PM.
06-15-2017 , 05:33 PM
Thread on how McConnell intends to circumvent the Senate process to get RepubliCare through with practically no debate possible:


https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/875371630968659969
06-15-2017 , 05:42 PM
These Twitter meltdowns make it painfully obvious he tweets himself and has said F U to his handlers.*
06-15-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Well, we thought there was a chance Pence was cleanish. That chance just went down quite a bit.
Not really, after Trump let him lie about Flynn and the many times Trump has contradicted members of his team, he realises that he can't trust Trump or any of Trump's legal advisers.
06-15-2017 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
These Twitter meltdowns make it painfully obvious he tweets himself and has said F U to his handlers.*
every single lawyer, even kellyanne conway's husband publicly are telling trump tweeting is a bad idea for him. those words only harden trump's resolve to stick with his GUT
06-15-2017 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
every single lawyer, even kellyanne conway's husband publicly are telling trump tweeting is a bad idea for him. those words only harden trump's resolve to stick with his GUT
Many public figures don't tweet themselves for obvious reasons. For a man that has spent his whole life building a "brand," his PR game only works to keep his brain dead supporters fed.
06-15-2017 , 05:51 PM
Pence lawyering up is 100% standard. He's awful but this means nothing.
06-15-2017 , 05:51 PM
Vote-o-Rama would be awesome but they'll never do it
06-15-2017 , 05:59 PM
Trump seems to be melting down on Twitter. Practically admitting his ties to Russia. Serious question:

This guy has serious personality disorders. Would he nuke a country to delay or get out of this? Is he the type who figures if he's going down he'll take everyone else with him?
06-15-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop

Hmmm, Alfa Bank, where have I heard that name before? Oh, yeah, that was the Russian bank with the weird links to the Trump server.
06-15-2017 , 06:07 PM
Also, (sorry if this is old news), but is it possible that Coats, Rogers, and Rosenstein were all mum last week because they knew they could be called in by Mueller for interviews?
06-15-2017 , 06:07 PM
I just got through a major blowout with my mom. It all started when the TV in the other room said Trump was under investigation for obstruction and she told me they need to stop criticizing him for every little thing he does. Some takeaways:

1) She flat out faulted me for "learning too much" and not living a happy-go-lucky life that ignores things we don't like to hear. "politics shouldn't affect you so much"* she said.

2) I was told that we need to "start ignoring a lot of what the president says and does" and "the bigger person knows when to let things go" after I pointed out to her that he's doing everything to himself and his WH staff. She also told me all the potential faults of Twitter and Trump's interviewers.

3) Trump has to resort to the tactics we're seeing in order to combat all the "mess left to him by Hillary and Obama" over the years.

4) He needs to be left alone to pursue his agenda. I asked her about healthcare and she said not that, but other items. I asked her about the budget, tax reform, infrastructure, and was told "Yes, exactly, like those policies. What's in them again?"

5) I told her how his actions as president are negatively affecting me now, on top of her too, and the large majority of the county. She said "sometimes we have to sacrifice to help others" from time to time. Yeah, the poor and middle class need to sacrifice their health and basic necessities so Trump can have more money and more power? "That's not happening though. Feel free to complain IF it does. Right now, he knows what he's doing and you're just being selfish."

*I tried to explain my increasing fear of how Trump has been taking the realm of politics and unpoliticizing it, to the point that it's greatly affecting everyday life. The two are becoming so incredibly intertwined by Trump's rhetoric that, when it comes to divisiveness between good fiends and family members, we ain't seen nothing yet.

It was a pretty big argument. At the end she said it was the worst visit we've had in a long time. I tried to tell her she's throwing her own family under the bus to defend values of a monster who shares none of the values she stood for over 75 years of Catholicism. Bottom line, I'm being "wholly disrespectful for calling the PRESIDENT a 'monster' or any other bad name."

I'm honestly not sure where really religious people stand when Trump is largely at odds with their long & deeply held religious beliefs. All I know is both of them come before her son. What then, does that make her?
06-15-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Trump seems to be melting down on Twitter. Practically admitting his ties to Russia. Serious question:

This guy has serious personality disorders. Would he nuke a country to delay or get out of this? Is he the type who figures if he's going down he'll take everyone else with him?
Yes he will nuke. Instead of codes they put an app on his phone with a 4-digit password so he can just select a country and hit launch.
06-15-2017 , 06:11 PM
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/...pB2#.beBrMVlKW
sources on both sides of the Atlantic said that Russia is expert at using poisons that kill without a trace – particularly by triggering cardiac arrest.
cliffs: putin has a death note
06-15-2017 , 06:16 PM
I tried to imagine GWB attacking Al Gore in June of 2001 but it just makes me laugh.

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/s...67039971958784
06-15-2017 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
I just got through a major blowout with my mom. It all started when the TV in the other room said Trump was under investigation for obstruction and she told me they need to stop criticizing him for every little thing he does. Some takeaways:

1) She flat out faulted me for "learning too much" and not living a happy-go-lucky life that ignores things we don't like to hear. "politics shouldn't affect you so much"* she said.

2) I was told that we need to "start ignoring a lot of what the president says and does" and "the bigger person knows when to let things go" after I pointed out to her that he's doing everything to himself and his WH staff. She also told me all the potential faults of Twitter and Trump's interviewers.

3) Trump has to resort to the tactics we're seeing in order to combat all the "mess left to him by Hillary and Obama" over the years.

4) He needs to be left alone to pursue his agenda. I asked her about healthcare and she said not that, but other items. I asked her about the budget, tax reform, infrastructure, and was told "Yes, exactly, like those policies. What's in them again?"

5) I told her how his actions as president are negatively affecting me now, on top of her too, and the large majority of the county. She said "sometimes we have to sacrifice to help others" from time to time. Yeah, the poor and middle class need to sacrifice their health and basic necessities so Trump can have more money and more power? "That's not happening though. Feel free to complain IF it does. Right now, he knows what he's doing and you're just being selfish."

*I tried to explain my increasing fear of how Trump has been taking the realm of politics and unpoliticizing it, to the point that it's greatly affecting everyday life. The two are becoming so incredibly intertwined by Trump's rhetoric that, when it comes to divisiveness between good fiends and family members, we ain't seen nothing yet.

It was a pretty big argument. At the end she said it was the worst visit we've had in a long time. I tried to tell her she's throwing her own family under the bus to defend values of a monster who shares none of the values she stood for over 75 years of Catholicism. Bottom line, I'm being "wholly disrespectful for calling the PRESIDENT a 'monster' or any other bad name."

I'm honestly not sure where really religious people stand when Trump is largely at odds with their long & deeply held religious beliefs. All I know is both of them come before her son. What then, does that make her?
This unfortunately is happening between my mother and grandmother now as well. Their calls and visits have become much less frequent because my grandmother watches fox news and can't stop talking about how the media and everybody else is out to get Trump and refuses to hear a word of truth about him. My mom does her best to stay out of political conversations entirely, but what can you do if it keeps being brought up other than visiting and calling less frequently
06-15-2017 , 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/...pB2#.beBrMVlKW
sources on both sides of the Atlantic said that Russia is expert at using poisons that kill without a trace – particularly by triggering cardiac arrest.
cliffs: putin has a death note
It's like some kind of ricin variant then?
06-15-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Also, (sorry if this is old news), but is it possible that Coats, Rogers, and Rosenstein were all mum last week because they knew they could be called in by Mueller for interviews?
Much more than possible bro, it's very likely. They probably knew already that they were being called to testify in front of Mueller soon, and were told what they can and can't say to the committees, both in private and in public. Like Comey. He and his evidence were brought to Mueller before testifying last week.

I think this is highlighted the most by the reports we've been given about Rogers' private session with the Senate Intel Committee on Monday evening. We got some tidbits from several outlets and sources. He was more forthcoming than in the open testimony. He still didn't tell them everything. And many Dem Committee members were walking out of Monday night's hearing shaking their heads in frustration and disbelief.
06-15-2017 , 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Our House
I just got through a major blowout with my mom. It all started when the TV in the other room said Trump was under investigation for obstruction and she told me they need to stop criticizing him for every little thing he does. Some takeaways:

1) She flat out faulted me for "learning too much" and not living a happy-go-lucky life that ignores things we don't like to hear. "politics shouldn't affect you so much"* she said.

2) I was told that we need to "start ignoring a lot of what the president says and does" and "the bigger person knows when to let things go" after I pointed out to her that he's doing everything to himself and his WH staff. She also told me all the potential faults of Twitter and Trump's interviewers.

3) Trump has to resort to the tactics we're seeing in order to combat all the "mess left to him by Hillary and Obama" over the years.

4) He needs to be left alone to pursue his agenda. I asked her about healthcare and she said not that, but other items. I asked her about the budget, tax reform, infrastructure, and was told "Yes, exactly, like those policies. What's in them again?"

5) I told her how his actions as president are negatively affecting me now, on top of her too, and the large majority of the county. She said "sometimes we have to sacrifice to help others" from time to time. Yeah, the poor and middle class need to sacrifice their health and basic necessities so Trump can have more money and more power? "That's not happening though. Feel free to complain IF it does. Right now, he knows what he's doing and you're just being selfish."

*I tried to explain my increasing fear of how Trump has been taking the realm of politics and unpoliticizing it, to the point that it's greatly affecting everyday life. The two are becoming so incredibly intertwined by Trump's rhetoric that, when it comes to divisiveness between good fiends and family members, we ain't seen nothing yet.

It was a pretty big argument. At the end she said it was the worst visit we've had in a long time. I tried to tell her she's throwing her own family under the bus to defend values of a monster who shares none of the values she stood for over 75 years of Catholicism. Bottom line, I'm being "wholly disrespectful for calling the PRESIDENT a 'monster' or any other bad name."

I'm honestly not sure where really religious people stand when Trump is largely at odds with their long & deeply held religious beliefs. All I know is both of them come before her son. What then, does that make her?
Could be worse. My dad says we need to nuke the middle east, he's serious. If people got jobs they wouldn't need health coverage from the government, just lazy people wanting to live off taxpayer money. Hillary is the lying ***** of benghazi, which literally comes up everytime politics is discussed. Constantly mumbles about the left being lying sacks of **** snowflakes. Everything negative about Trump is fake news. Yet he constantly quotes source from facebook posts shared by his Trumpkin buddies.

I tried to show him stats about single payer healthcare, and he quotes me that he has a friend in austrailia that came to America for health care because he almost died from the awful health care there because they couldn't diagnose diabetes for months.

I was taking him to a doctors appoint a month back at the VA. School bus stops in front of us and a bunch of kids gets get off to go into apartments. My dad says " huh " and I ask what? He says every single kid who got off the bus was black. I asked him why does that mattered, he said well those are really nice apartments. I just stared at him in disbelief.

      
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