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06-14-2017 , 09:40 AM

#40426

einbert

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As the breakdown of the political process becomes more public and obvious, more people will turn to violence. The people will try to have their say in whatever way is possible.

06-14-2017 , 09:41 AM

#40427

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by Lestat

Correct. And the Deputy AG still isn't required to fire him. He can refuse and get fired himself or step down. I believe this is what happened in Watergate.

It was good to hear that Rosenstein said he will not fire Mueller unless it is over a matter of legality. I heard some talk that Mueller may have had questionable contacts before being appointed. But the general consensus is that his reputation is sterling and unassailable.

I'm not sure if it wouldn't be a good thing if they asked Rosenstein to fire Mueller and just make it abundantly clear they are attempting to impede an investigation. So far, there are a ton of things we should all find very worrisome. It sure seems they have something to hide. Their total lack of concern over a foreign adversary meddling in our elections is deeply troubling. The lack of transparency over meetings and financial dealings is enough to make anyone suspicious. However, GOP has made clear they don't care about any of this! Even though they are breaking norms left and right, to my knowledge they are still able to say that there hasn't been a single shred of tangible evidence of illegal wrongdoing. It's still all smoke/no fire at this point and my concern is if there isn't some fire found soon, their witch hunt narrative will start taking over and win the day.

If I'm wrong and there IS in fact tangible evidence of active collusion with Russia or other illegal activity please list for me what it is.

As far as I know the "questionable" contacts and/or "questionable" people he's brought on all revolve around them having donated to Democrats which is a bit ironic because almost all FBI directors, all special councils and Congressional councils have been Republicans. It's almost an implicit requirement.

06-14-2017 , 09:46 AM

#40428

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by einbert

As the breakdown of the political process becomes more public and obvious, more people will turn to violence. The people will try to have their say in whatever way is possible.

The polls closed on Virginia's most recent elections like 12 hours ago.

06-14-2017 , 09:49 AM

#40429

einbert

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Did you see the Senate hearing yesterday? It is quite clear from anybody paying attention that our Congress is a joke and they do not seek justice, they seek to cover up Trump's crimes.

06-14-2017 , 09:53 AM

#40430

einbert

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It's similar to how a lack of opportunity and education breeds more crime and gang violence. If people don't think they can win through the legitimate system, they'll go through an alternate method. It's a survival method and after all, they see the "winners" doing this all the time. People like Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions clearly don't have to play by the rules of society. It's not a wonder other people are starting to refuse those same rules as they see the system that holds up our entire peaceful civilization is a ****ing rigged joke.

06-14-2017 , 10:15 AM

#40431

Senor Stinks

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Hey guyz I'm new to 2p2. Any banned posters new accounts itt?

Sorry for asking for help. Why the ridicule? Was a genuine question. For a seemingly smart crowd, some of you let your egos get in the way.

06-14-2017 , 10:18 AM

#40432

uDevil

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https://twitter.com/fmanjoo/status/874972530561269760

06-14-2017 , 10:24 AM

#40433

davmcg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Senor Stinks

Sorry for asking for help. Why the ridicule? Was a genuine question. For a seemingly smart crowd, some of you let your egos get in the way.

Suspicion rather than ego. New posters are now subject to extreme vetting before getting a visa.

06-14-2017 , 10:30 AM

#40434

aflametotheground

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

It's similar to how a lack of opportunity and education breeds more crime and gang violence. If people don't think they can win through the legitimate system, they'll go through an alternate method. It's a survival method and after all, they see the "winners" doing this all the time. People like Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions clearly don't have to play by the rules of society. It's not a wonder other people are starting to refuse those same rules as they see the system that holds up our entire peaceful civilization is a ****ing rigged joke.

its easier to build boys than to mend men.

06-14-2017 , 10:50 AM

#40435

Namath12

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Not a single thing to see here

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...97123158351872

06-14-2017 , 11:11 AM

#40436

Bigoldnit

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

The polls closed on Virginia's most recent elections like 12 hours ago.

And there are a couple billion people in the world who will tell you that the ability to run an election is a necessary but not sufficient part of a functioning government/ democracy.

06-14-2017 , 11:22 AM

#40437

TimmayB

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I'll just leave this here with no further comment.

06-14-2017 , 11:33 AM

#40438

dinopoker

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

NY Times article reporting that Trump will, for the moment, not try to sack Mueller. Has some pretty amazing stuff:

I mean, just not enough lols in the world. Threaten Mueller with being fired and he'll fall into line. OK bro.

This is not a man who has much experience in his life with threatening people being ineffective. Then there's this:

As crazy as it is, and I really think it will be the end of him if he tries it, I think Trump will eventually try to get rid of Mueller.

Think about it: Trump has repeatedly proven himself incapable of even seeing a critical news story about himself without going ape**** on Twitter. And now there's a guy investigating him and all his associates for being a criminal and he is, naturally, buying into the idea that this is all a conspiracy against him. How long can he possibly resist trying to act?

I wondered just after the election about what would happen when Trump, probably the most narcissistic individual I have ever seen, collided with the constant stream of criticism that is inevitable for any sitting President. Well this is our answer: he gets increasingly frustrated and spends his entire time trying to deploy all the powers available to him against his enemies.

It may be even simpler than that, it may be that he is just worried about what they're going to find.

After all, if the investigation IS going to find something then the one person who knows that beyond any doubt is Trump.

06-14-2017 , 11:40 AM

#40439

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Well, it should be clear to anyone that the reasons they aren't that concerned with the Russia meddling are because a) their side benefited and b) they don't really care about democracy, they only care about winning.

After all, if you look around the USA the party that is doing everything it can to rig elections, prevent people from voting, and gerrymander districts to circumvent their polling, is the GOP. Is it such a stretch to believe that if those methods don't work they're not going to be willing to try hacking?

06-14-2017 , 11:53 AM

#40440

5ive

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Originally Posted by markksman

Will have to punish amazon and walmart but no way am I giving up kings Hawaiian bread. Especially for the dubious distinction of once advertising on s tv show that is canceled.

I like how they included trump hotels and golf courses just in case, you know, people were unclear about the concept of what's happening.

06-14-2017 , 11:56 AM

#40441

einbert

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

I believe this is the entire subtext of Fargo: Season 3.

Spoiler:

06-14-2017 , 11:57 AM

#40442

dinopoker

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Yeah but who is the guy in the bowling alley?

06-14-2017 , 11:59 AM

#40443

einbert

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06-14-2017 , 12:40 PM

#40444

pk_nuts

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Moment of silence for Donnie.

06-14-2017 , 12:49 PM

#40445

einbert

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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/s...29965531746308

06-14-2017 , 01:01 PM

#40446

simplicitus

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ROBERT MUELLER CHOOSES HIS INVESTIGATORY DREAM TEAM

https://www.wired.com/story/robert-m...tigation-team/

"Tuesday morning on Good Morning America, Newt Gingrich blasted Mueller and his still-forming team. “These are bad people,” Newt Gingrich told George Stephanopoulos. “I’m very dubious of the team.”"

06-14-2017 , 01:05 PM

#40447

Onlydo2days

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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/s...29965531746308

It's not sexy infotainment like Russiagate.

Doesn't bring the eyeballs.

06-14-2017 , 01:41 PM

#40448

LFS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

As the breakdown of the political process becomes more public and obvious, more people will turn to violence. The people will try to have their say in whatever way is possible.

While I generally agree, if this isn't condoning this act/violence it's darn close. I would of course reject sentiments like this from the "other side" out of hand. My knee-jerk liberal reaction is that if we abandon our general principles we lose even if we win.

06-14-2017 , 01:55 PM

#40449

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Do you believe the Republican party believes in democracy? They allow someone who choke-slammed a reporter to remain a Congressman in their party. They attack the rights of black voters to participate with stringent voter ID laws. They allow Russia to attack our democracy in various ways and instead of fighting back, they aid and abet these attacks. They allow our President to obstruct justice and refuse to hold him accountable for any actions. They want to kill millions of us off by destroying the American health care system.