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06-14-2017 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Anybody have a good article about the difference between white pride and black pride?

I'm trying to explain to a friend the difference but I can't figure out the correct way to phrase it.
Just tell them white pride is having a GED and making $50,000 a year. Black pride is having a PhD and making $50,000 a year.
06-14-2017 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Anybody have a good article about the difference between white pride and black pride?

I'm trying to explain to a friend the difference but I can't figure out the correct way to phrase it.
Weird thread to have this in but:

Not really complicated. It's like asking "what is the difference between gay pride and straight pride?". Gay pride is a reaction to discrimination, marginalization and negative stereotypes directed at LGBT people. But what the hell is "straight pride" needed for? It's not like heterosexuality is under attack. There are no negative stereotypes about straight people. The only way heterosexuality is "under attack" is that people of other orientations are achieving the same rights that heterosexuals have always had. Thus "straight pride", intentionally or otherwise, is an expression of opposition to this.

It's the same with white and black pride. Black people have stereotypes, racism etc directed at them, so "black pride" is an effort to counter this.

Another way of looking at it is that blackness as an identity is something that is forced upon black people. Black pride is an effort to cope with having to live with that identity. But "whiteness" as an identity is something that white people don't really possess. I am not conscious of being a white person in the same way that black people have to be conscious of being a black person. I feel like I'm just a random person. So when white people sign up to "white pride", it's a deliberate effort to create "whiteness" as an identity where it wasn't previously a thing. The only reason one would want to create such an identity is racism. Again, the gay-straight analogy works well here. The only reason one would want to be like "I'M ON TEAM STRAIGHT, YAY HETEROSEXUALITY!" is to distance oneself from gay people.

Edit: Generally people who ask stuff like that are incapable of taking context into account or imagining what it's like to be another person, so you're probably wasting your time.
06-14-2017 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by corvette24
That's some good news. Good for them for standing up for fairness. I wonder if Trump would choose his assets over the oval office if he was forced to make a choice?
Dude is picking his assets 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000% of the time.

He didn't even want to be elected in the first place. He assumed HC would win and he'd go start Trump TV.
06-14-2017 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Weird thread to have this in but:

Not really complicated. It's like asking "what is the difference between gay pride and straight pride?". Gay pride is a reaction to discrimination, marginalization and negative stereotypes directed at LGBT people. But what the hell is "straight pride" needed for? It's not like heterosexuality is under attack. There are no negative stereotypes about straight people. The only way heterosexuality is "under attack" is that people of other orientations are achieving the same rights that heterosexuals have always had. Thus "straight pride", intentionally or otherwise, is an expression of opposition to this.

It's the same with white and black pride. Black people have stereotypes, racism etc directed at them, so "black pride" is an effort to counter this.

Another way of looking at it is that blackness as an identity is something that is forced upon black people. Black pride is an effort to cope with having to live with that identity. But "whiteness" as an identity is something that white people don't really possess. I am not conscious of being a white person in the same way that black people have to be conscious of being a black person. I feel like I'm just a random person. So when white people sign up to "white pride", it's a deliberate effort to create "whiteness" as an identity where it wasn't previously a thing. The only reason one would want to create such an identity is racism. Again, the gay-straight analogy works well here. The only reason one would want to be like "I'M ON TEAM STRAIGHT, YAY HETEROSEXUALITY!" is to distance oneself from gay people.

Edit: Generally people who ask stuff like that are incapable of taking context into account or imagining what it's like to be another person, so you're probably wasting your time.
Thanks, ya I meant to put it in the low content thread. That's exactly what I was trying to say to them I'm just bad at articulating it.
06-14-2017 , 03:48 AM
NY Times article reporting that Trump will, for the moment, not try to sack Mueller. Has some pretty amazing stuff:

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[Trump's evasiveness on Mueller] may have been by design, according to a person who spoke to Mr. Trump on Tuesday. The president was pleased by the ambiguity of his position on Mr. Mueller, and thinks the possibility of being fired will focus the veteran prosecutor on delivering what the president desires most: a blanket public exoneration.
I mean, just not enough lols in the world. Threaten Mueller with being fired and he'll fall into line. OK bro.

This is not a man who has much experience in his life with threatening people being ineffective. Then there's this:

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But people close to Mr. Trump say he is so volatile they cannot be sure that he will not change his mind about Mr. Mueller if he finds out anything to lead him to believe the investigation has been compromised. And his ability to endure a free-ranging investigation, directed by Mr. Mueller, that could raise questions about the legitimacy of his Electoral College victory, the topic that most provokes his rage, will be a critical test for a president who has continued on Twitter and elsewhere to flout the advice of his staff, friends and legal team.

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Angered by reports in Breitbart News and other conservative news outlets that Mr. Mueller was close to Mr. Comey, Mr. Trump in recent days has repeatedly brought up the political and legal implications of firing someone he now views as incapable of an impartial investigation. He has told his staff, his visitors and his outside advisers that he was increasingly convinced that Mr. Mueller, like Mr. Comey, his successor as director of the F.B.I., was part of a “witch hunt” by partisans who wanted to see him weakened or forced from office.
As crazy as it is, and I really think it will be the end of him if he tries it, I think Trump will eventually try to get rid of Mueller.

Think about it: Trump has repeatedly proven himself incapable of even seeing a critical news story about himself without going ape**** on Twitter. And now there's a guy investigating him and all his associates for being a criminal and he is, naturally, buying into the idea that this is all a conspiracy against him. How long can he possibly resist trying to act?

I wondered just after the election about what would happen when Trump, probably the most narcissistic individual I have ever seen, collided with the constant stream of criticism that is inevitable for any sitting President. Well this is our answer: he gets increasingly frustrated and spends his entire time trying to deploy all the powers available to him against his enemies.
06-14-2017 , 04:16 AM
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Well this is our answer: he gets increasingly frustrated and spends his entire time trying to deploy all the powers available to him against his enemies.
Which is how we get fascism/totalitarianism. Not from some grand evil scheme. We are not out of the woods.
06-14-2017 , 04:32 AM
Exactly. It's not like guys like Hitler showed up and said "Hey, I'm gonna kill 12 million people, be responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people, and if you don't want to die, you better get on board."

There is a non-zero chance that history books 100 years from now will be talking about ignorant Americans like we talk about ignorant Germans.

"But I didn't know! If I had known, I would have said something!!!"
06-14-2017 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Exactly. It's not like guys like Hitler showed up and said "Hey, I'm gonna kill 12 million people, be responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people, and if you don't want to die, you better get on board."

There is a non-zero chance that history books 100 years from now will be talking about ignorant Americans like we talk about ignorant Germans.

"But I didn't know! If I had known, I would have said something!!!"
Well Hitler didn't give an exact number of people he wanted to kill, but he was actually always pretty open about his two main goals, getting rid of jews and conquering "Lebensraum" ("living space") for the germans in Eastern Europe. Not much imagination needed to see where this was going...

Generally I think comparing Trump to ideological dictators like Hitler and Stalin doesn't make sense. Someone compared him to Kaiser Wilhelm II which made more sense to me. Narcistic, childish, power-hungry and longing for adulation, extremely incompetent. Might end terrible as well but for other reasons and in other ways than Hitler/Stalin type dictators.
06-14-2017 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
And I've got to say even if the country and the world fade all the doomsday TRUMPocalypse scenarios the worst thing to come of this will be the complete erosion of norms regarding the President's, and inevitably all politician's, personal financial affairs.

If this isn't brought to heel quickly I think we're in for a long line of pretty flagrant theft from the the public with a press that will be scared to report on it and a DOJ that won't prosecute it.
Yes and unfortunately this is the problem with letting the fox guard the henhouse.

Once the seal has been broken there is nobody in power (in any meaningful quantity to actually do anything) with any motivation to put that toothpaste back into the tube.

So yeah it's unlikely we can ever turn the clock back and the reality is things will become more and more obsfucated. Even partisan obstructionism will erode enough on these issues that they will never come up again.
06-14-2017 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...roducts-2017-1

Boycott anyone who does business with a Trump imo. A few on that list might be unfair, but it's worth a look.
Will have to punish amazon and walmart but no way am I giving up kings Hawaiian bread. Especially for the dubious distinction of once advertising on s tv show that is canceled.
06-14-2017 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Oh but the GOP House members are MAD now:

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/pl...-fallon-220821


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IMAGINE IF you’re a House Republican, and voted for the leadership’s health-care bill in May after being told that you were doing the newly elected president a solid. You listened to the White House’s pleading -- perhaps you got a phone call from Vice President Mike Pence, Chief of Staff Reince Priebus or even the president himself. The administration was on the Hill nonstop to push their legislation. You explained to your constituents that the late-in-the-game changes made to the bill helped cover more people. You celebrated with him in the Rose Garden after passage.

NOW YOU HEAR THE PRESIDENT has gone behind closed doors and told senators the House bill is “mean” and says it doesn’t do enough to cover people. Wouldn’t that anger you? Well, it’s angering a lot of House Republicans, who believe their president put them at political risk with that comment. A Senate health care bill was always going to be more moderate than the House version. If you're a House Republican, are you going to help the White House next time after the president privately just dumped all over you after you cast a vote for him? A lot of GOP lawmakers are buzzing about it, and many are none too pleased with the president right now.
lol @ these guys, with their spines assembled back together to bravely whine to Politico.

If you are a House Republican, are you going to do whatever the White House wants no matter how much Trump double crosses you, scapegoats you, and embarrasses you?

The answer is of course, yes, forever and a day.
06-14-2017 , 07:56 AM
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If you are a House Republican, are you going to do whatever the White House wants no matter how much Trump double crosses you, scapegoats you, and embarrasses you?

The answer is of course, yes, forever and a day.
And offer gushing thanks for the opportunity to get scapegoated and embarrassed again next time. Such an honor to serve you dear leader!
06-14-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
I still feel like Trump disapproval rating and a "real president" disapproval rating are two different things. We live in make believe land now so who knows what kind of "i don't approve of him but will still vote for him" dichotomy exists.
You can't bring up polls anymore, forever! They always counter with something about polls being completely wrong when they had Hillary killing Trump in the general. And the Trumpkins continue to eat it up every time. So yeah, the poll well water has been poisoned indefinitely.
06-14-2017 , 08:14 AM
Steve Scalise a congress member and a few other ppl have reportedly been shot.
06-14-2017 , 08:28 AM
Yeah, gunman opened fire on the Congressional baseball team.

06-14-2017 , 08:29 AM
What are the odds Trump tweets something incendiary towards Dems about this? 80%?
06-14-2017 , 08:38 AM
But Trump can't actually fire Mueller, right? All he can do is order the Deputy AG to fire him...
06-14-2017 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Oh but the GOP House members are MAD now:

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/pl...-fallon-220821




lol @ these guys, with their spines assembled back together to bravely whine to Politico.

If you are a House Republican, are you going to do whatever the White House wants no matter how much Trump double crosses you, scapegoats you, and embarrasses you?

The answer is of course, yes, forever and a day.




06-14-2017 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
What are the odds Trump tweets something incendiary towards Dems about this? 80%?
Don't think he'll acknowledge it. Apparently attacker was a white chubby man.
06-14-2017 , 09:00 AM
Cheeto nazi already tweeted that congressman will make a full recovery so we can be certain his chance of death has gone up markedly.
06-14-2017 , 09:00 AM
well obviously it was a white person or terrorism crap would be plastered all over.

VA is open carry, can get guns however you want state I believe.

ofc, that won't get brought up.
06-14-2017 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
But Trump can't actually fire Mueller, right? All he can do is order the Deputy AG to fire him...
Correct. And the Deputy AG still isn't required to fire him. He can refuse and get fired himself or step down. I believe this is what happened in Watergate.

It was good to hear that Rosenstein said he will not fire Mueller unless it is over a matter of legality. I heard some talk that Mueller may have had questionable contacts before being appointed. But the general consensus is that his reputation is sterling and unassailable.

I'm not sure if it wouldn't be a good thing if they asked Rosenstein to fire Mueller and just make it abundantly clear they are attempting to impede an investigation. So far, there are a ton of things we should all find very worrisome. It sure seems they have something to hide. Their total lack of concern over a foreign adversary meddling in our elections is deeply troubling. The lack of transparency over meetings and financial dealings is enough to make anyone suspicious. However, GOP has made clear they don't care about any of this! Even though they are breaking norms left and right, to my knowledge they are still able to say that there hasn't been a single shred of tangible evidence of illegal wrongdoing. It's still all smoke/no fire at this point and my concern is if there isn't some fire found soon, their witch hunt narrative will start taking over and win the day.

If I'm wrong and there IS in fact tangible evidence of active collusion with Russia or other illegal activity please list for me what it is.
06-14-2017 , 09:04 AM
Reportedly only cause the one rep was there that capitol security was there. Usually they aren't at the baseball practices.

kudos to the massive moron rep thinking if he had a weapon he could've stopped a rifle.
06-14-2017 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Will have to punish amazon and walmart but no way am I giving up kings Hawaiian bread. Especially for the dubious distinction of once advertising on s tv show that is canceled.
King's Hawaiian was also making the exceptions list for me.
06-14-2017 , 09:36 AM
normal solution to this is a real discussion that maybe people shouldn't just be allowed to go get assault rifles and magazines

GOP solution will be to eliminate protesting.

      
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