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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-12-2017 , 11:41 PM
lol @ the false premise. The whole point is that he can violate a **** ton of norms without becoming a liability for the GOP. He can violate norms TO entrench his and their power.
06-12-2017 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
If we've learned anything, its that "if (insert unthinkable scumbaggery by GOP politician here, especially Trump), Republicans will have to (insert actual consequence for the aforementioned) statements are, to this point, incorrect at a rate of 100%.
Not quite true, due to Sessions recusing himself.
06-12-2017 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
lol @ the false premise. The whole point is that he can violate a **** ton of norms without becoming a liability for the GOP. He can violate norms TO entrench his and their power.
yea that's kinda the problem and is the main reason that congress hasnt turned on him yet

basically we have to wait til ossoff and others start shipping elections
06-13-2017 , 12:04 AM
Agree that the Congresscritters are mostly interested in themselves, but right now, they are better off with Trump than without by a pretty good margin.
06-13-2017 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Republicans in Congress aren't loyal to Trump, they are loyal to themselves. As soon as it benefits them to turn on Trump they will.

I was about to tease you for posting a tautology and then I see two Phd's disagreeing with it.
06-13-2017 , 12:17 AM
If they had only waited til Wednesday to annouce this. It's Donny's bday.


https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/874462577069363201
06-13-2017 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol no kidding, i have no fkn clue wtf he's going on about

lol @ any of those rats dying on the sword for trump
so how did republicans do after nixon stepped down? Did they win a bunch of elections for doing the right thing, or did they become a congressional minority for like 20 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_...tes_Congresses

Looks like Dems gained 5 senate seats and almost 50 house seats the election after Nixon resigned.

LOL at anyone who thinks impeaching Trump will ever be in the self-interest of Republicans
06-13-2017 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I was about to tease you for posting a tautology and then I see two Phd's disagreeing with it.
God, you're dumb. I literally pointed out it was a truism.
06-13-2017 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
so how did republicans do after nixon stepped down? Did they win a bunch of elections for doing the right thing, or did they become a congressional minority for like 20 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_...tes_Congresses

Looks like Dems gained 5 senate seats and almost 50 house seats the election after Nixon resigned.

LOL at anyone who thinks impeaching Trump will ever be in the self-interest of Republicans
The GOP is in a no win situation. They are basically gambling that at some point, the Dems, media, and #Resistance give up and stop trying. It might work, but I doubt it. Look at how much crap has happened since January. We have another year of this **** before the 2018 election starts becoming a big part of the news cycle.

Look at all the chaos going on now. Trump hasn't even had a crisis yet. What's he going to do if there's a major earthquake or a hurricane? He denied 99% aid to North Carolina (A state that voted for him!) for Hurricane Matthew. Imagine a Katrina or Sandy situation and Trump refusing to release federal dollars to help.

He is literally going to **** over millions of people at some point. The GOP can ignore it but they are tied to Trump whether they like it or not.
06-13-2017 , 01:16 AM
I was going to write a post line yours a week ago, but then I thought about what Trump would do in a crisis.
Obviously if it's a terrorist attack, he's going to blame Obama/ Democrats.
In case of a Natural disaster he's going to do a photo op thing of helping people and we'd still have to rely on the media to break the cult.
Maybe of the disaster happens in a red state, some Rs in congress will turn on him, but if a disaster happens in a blue state, nothing's going to change.
06-13-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
so how did republicans do after nixon stepped down? Did they win a bunch of elections for doing the right thing, or did they become a congressional minority for like 20 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_...tes_Congresses

Looks like Dems gained 5 senate seats and almost 50 house seats the election after Nixon resigned.

LOL at anyone who thinks impeaching Trump will ever be in the self-interest of Republicans


Not sure the dem winning seats after nixons impeachment proves it was the impeachment itself that lead to the loss. I don't see the midterms going well for republicans at the rate things are going either way and firing mueller coupled with the **** storm that'll follow might even be worse for them than a controversial impeachment for obstruction.

He's on the brink of going from plausible deniability into "yea i did it, so what, you ain't gonna prove nothin".
06-13-2017 , 01:27 AM
On the brink? He's basically OJ writing a book called "If I obstructed justice..."

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Originally Posted by Abbaddabba
Not sure the dem winning seats after nixons impeachment proves it was the impeachment itself that lead to the loss.
Of course it doesn't prove that, but do you think the current crop of Trump-ball lickers who call themselves the GOP realize there's a difference between causation and correlation?

If you even said those words around them they'd probably have you arrested.
06-13-2017 , 01:47 AM
Some do some don't. What percent of them do you think are genuine ball lickers though, and how many of the ones who appear to be so are just doing it to save face because they see no clear way out?

If disapproval ratings continue on the path they're going there'll be more to gain from being the guy who made the principled vote for impeachment than there will be for being the guy who stayed loyal to a president that nobody trusts/likes.
06-13-2017 , 01:57 AM
People are fickle and our human nature shows that. If Trump's rating continue to be in the toilet, those that are "on the fence" will turn on him. They want to be on the winning team, and if things aren't getting better, they will jump off the bandwagon. Trump touting coal mining jobs in PA may appeal to the mouth breathers but no one is going to give a **** if they continue to lose jobs.

Trump is not a popular guy. He's just not. He lost the election by millions of votes, has a 36% approval rating, and he is creating chaos everywhere he goes.
06-13-2017 , 02:50 AM
06-13-2017 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Right now the package actually looks like this:
If this package was delivered to my door, I would ****ing shoot it.
06-13-2017 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GermanGuy
I was going to write a post line yours a week ago, but then I thought about what Trump would do in a crisis.
Obviously if it's a terrorist attack, he's going to blame Obama/ Democrats.
In case of a Natural disaster he's going to do a photo op thing of helping people and we'd still have to rely on the media to break the cult.
Maybe of the disaster happens in a red state, some Rs in congress will turn on him, but if a disaster happens in a blue state, nothing's going to change.
Any natural disaster victims will be made coal miners.

Easy peasy
06-13-2017 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
GOP primary voters ****ing love Trump. All these GOP clowns draw their own districts and their only fear is Cantor 2.0. I sincerely believe only the military turning on Trump will get him out of office. Or death.
We might have reasonably fair-ish sort of elections in 2020 if you ignore the inevitable rampant voter suppression/paramilitary groups harassing minorities, Trump using government money to campaign, using his Justice Department to intimidate political opponents with threats of jail, bullying the media into covering him positively and his opponents negatively, and other sundry predictable nonsense. Hard to say though.
06-13-2017 , 06:20 AM
Don't forget death threats keeping people from running on the Democratic side. Three so far.
06-13-2017 , 06:23 AM
Indiana voter registration group, employees charged with falsifying applications
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.553f380c490a
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Twelve employees of the Indiana Voter Registration Project, which focused on registering black voters in the run up to last year’s presidential election, were charged Friday with submitting falsified voter registration applications. The voter registration group also faces criminal charges.

Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said officials did not find any evidence that fraudulent ballots were cast in last November’s election or that the group and its employees committed voter fraud. “These allegations pertain to voter registration applications provided to county officials before the November election,” he said in a news release. “Let me be clear that these are not allegations of voter fraud nor is there any evidence to suggest that voter fraud was the alleged motivation.”

Instead, Curry said that the workers who turned in the problematic applications were trying to meet a quota system to keep their jobs. “We do not believe this was a widespread effort to infringe voters, intentionally register ineligible individuals, or to impact the election. Instead we allege that a bad business practice led to illegal actions by the local association and these 12 individuals,” Curry said.

The probable cause affidavit said the employees, who were paid $50 a day for a five-hour shift, were “pressured” by supervisors to get 10 registrations per shift “or risk termination.”

The charges come after an investigation that began last August, when an elections official in Hendricks County, a suburb of Indianapolis, alerted the state police that applications submitted by the Voter Registration Project appeared to have “inconsistencies, missing information and erroneous data when compared to the on-file registrations for voters.” The state police expanded its investigation to Marion County, which includes Indianapolis, and eventually to 56 of Indiana’s 92 counties. The charges announced Friday are for alleged violations in only Marion and Hendricks counties.

After state police raided the Indiana Voter Registration Project’s Indianapolis office, Craig Varoga, director of Patriot Majority USA, the progressive super PAC that funded the effort, accused then-Gov. Mike Pence of allowing voter suppression in his state. The group launched a radio ad campaign saying that Republican state officials were targeting African Americans voters.

Pence, who at the time was President Trump’s running mate, mentioned on the campaign trail that his state was in the midst of “a pretty vigorous investigation into voter fraud.” The war of words came during the same time Trump started urging his supporters to “certain areas” and to keep an eye out for people trying to “vote five times” in an effort to steal the election from him. Even after he won by getting more electoral votes, Trump falsely claimed that millions of illegal voters cast ballots as a way to explain why he lost the popular vote to Democrat Hillary Clinton. Last month, Trump created a commission to study voter fraud and voter suppression.

The 12 workers, including one described as a supervisor, are charged with procuring and submitting fraudulent voter registration applications and perjury. If convicted, the 12 workers face a penalty of up to 2 ½ years in prison and a fine of $10,000.
06-13-2017 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
We might have reasonably fair-ish sort of elections in 2020 if you ignore the inevitable rampant voter suppression/paramilitary groups harassing minorities, Trump using government money to campaign, using his Justice Department to intimidate political opponents with threats of jail, bullying the media into covering him positively and his opponents negatively, and other sundry predictable nonsense. Hard to say though.
and if we fade all this bs, we still have to overcome the gerrymandering disadvantage.
06-13-2017 , 07:15 AM
More official statements!



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...78159676665857
06-13-2017 , 07:25 AM
It would be interesting to see which republicans offered support to Nixon (because it took a lot of republicans a long time to figure out that ship was sinking, right?) and how they faired in their following elections.
06-13-2017 , 07:47 AM
06-13-2017 , 07:51 AM
I think that image should be posted on the "Fox and Friends, fans" Facebook page.

      
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