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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-12-2017 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
That is so stupid

It's easy to cover a secret bill

Do it just like you covered Obamacare as a secret bill when it wasn't a secret bill

Everyone should cut their own dicks off, they're all that stupid
It's like 98% of the house bill ffs. Media simply can't cover it because the media can't figure out how to sensationalize it.
06-12-2017 , 02:34 AM
My prediction, watching how easily moderate Republicans rolled over in the House, is that the Senate version will essentially function as the third step in the following sequence:

1. Original House bill that failed.

2. Second House bill that passed because it was more evil for the Freedom Caucus, but had some absolute straight bull**** for the moderates to sell their voters as they die in pain (e.g. the wow-so-big 8 billion dollar preexisting condition fund).

3. Senate bill with more of the aforementioned straight bull****.

A close (young) family member of mine is about to complete her temporary position, losing her employer insurance. Last week she was diagnosed with cancer. I told her to sign up on the exchanges immediately, but who knows. I'm sure Ryan, McConnell, and Trump will live to 100. No justice.
06-12-2017 , 07:06 AM
This is complete bull****. So Republicans are gonna barely talk to the media, constituents, etc. and do everything from behind closed doors from now on?

It's like the worse things get for Trump, the more underhanded GOP gets. **** campaigning on transparency.
06-12-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Call Trump a POS on twitter, get fired.

Make up conspiracy theories that Sandy Hook was a hoax, Obama wasn't born in the U.S. and they're turning the friggin' frogs gay, get an interview on NBC with Megyn Kelly.


https://twitter.com/megynkelly/statu...53387389513728
Do much worse stuff than Alex Jones, become POTUS.
06-12-2017 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
How often do lawyers advise people not to get a lawyer?
So his WH staffers aren't just inbred, they're idiots too.

Trump has been publicly talking about throwing them under the bus, so they decide to ask Trump's lawyer whether or not they should be protected? LOL maybe consider getting legal advice from someone who isn't actively looking to screw you.

"But you don't understand, I'm smart. My ex-wife's lawyer said I was brilliant enough to represent myself in the divorce case."
06-12-2017 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
This guy Alex Jones has come on the Howard Stern Show a few times and he always comes off so reasonable lol that whole website is definitely performance art, you can't turn off crazy when you want to. At any rate I hope Megan Kelly is prepared to interview a guy who is clearly not a nutcase
Think this is backwards. The website and radio persona is what's real. The "reasonable" AJ you see on Howard is the performance.
06-12-2017 , 08:02 AM
Did Comey explain why he had a friend give his memos to the press rather than releasing them himself?
06-12-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Yeah the same way it's liberals' fault that Trump got elected because of their tone when they speak.
It's definitely getting worse. Two liberals thought the Trumpkin made a good point about the biased media.

Me: Did you see the report on Trump's lies by 100 days? 492 provably false public statements in just over 3 months! (This is BEFORE climate change, Comey testimony, foreign trip etc.)
Trumpkin: Who said that, Democrats?
Me: Ummmm...fact checking has nothing to do with political party. Truth is more than just what's for or against Donald Trump.
Trumpkin: I agree, but go look up "Obama inauguration speech lie" on the internet. He said that Muslims make good contributions to America. And make sure you find a site that supports Trump so you know there's no liberal bias.

So yah...

It's definitely getting worse. Two liberals thought the Trumpkin made a good point about the biased media.

Republican talking points starting to stick to anti-Trumpists worries me, and I've had plenty of Trump conversations with these Dems before. People on both sides are having trouble telling the difference between a straight up lie and an opinion they disagree with.

Source: 100 days of Trump claims
06-12-2017 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Did Comey explain why he had a friend give his memos to the press rather than releasing them himself?
yes
06-12-2017 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
yes
Go on...

Off the top of my head, I only (mis?)remember him saying something to the effect of he had his reasons.

What reasons though? He was in hiding, or under protection? He staged it so he could bait Trumpublicans with the legal "leak"?
06-12-2017 , 08:25 AM
Newt Gingrich attacking Mueller now. Good plan? LOL wow.

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/sta...28318865952768
06-12-2017 , 08:27 AM
desperation

they must be expecting to get ****ed by mueller which is cool
06-12-2017 , 08:27 AM
Press camping out in his backyard
06-12-2017 , 08:32 AM
The earlier the GOP replaces Obamacare, the better it is for Dems to build momentum and run against it in 2018.

Trump said roughly 800 times that we're going to have "cheaper healthcare and we're going to insure everyone, it's going to be fantastic"

All you gotta do now is play that and juxtapose it with the new GOP plan.

The only way you could **** something like this up is if you were the DNC, oh wait...
06-12-2017 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
The earlier the GOP replaces Obamacare, the better it is for Dems to build momentum and run against it in 2018.

Trump said roughly 800 times that we're going to have "cheaper healthcare and we're going to insure everyone, it's going to be fantastic"

All you gotta do now is play that and juxtapose it with the new GOP plan.

The only way you could **** something like this up is if you were the DNC, oh wait...
"No cuts to Medicaid." (Rally)
"If it's not good for the American people, I won't sign it." (on Tucker/Fox)

Here's the thing though: If Trumpcare passes quickly without resistance, what's the earliest it can be reversed?

Because I think at least the Dems in Congress should still resist:

1) There are other big Trump takedown items to focus on that don't sacrifice 10s of millions of people.
2) Dems loosening up resistance and voting for the bill might confuse the dumber voting Americans who were harmed by Trumpcare.

Not sure about the people resisting at town halls, marches, etc.
06-12-2017 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Did Comey explain why he had a friend give his memos to the press rather than releasing them himself?
He said the press was camped out at his house and it was like giving food to the crows or something like that.
06-12-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Newt Gingrich attacking Mueller now. Good plan? LOL wow.

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/sta...28318865952768
It's a "good plan" from a certain point of view.

The deplorables and mouthbreathers and assorted Republican die hard partisans were never, ever going to just roll over and let justice proceed without comment. Once they get even the faintest whiff Trump won't be completely exonerated, it was a fait accompli -- absolutely 100% lock -- they would start whining about fairness, about Mueller, about Comey collusion, about whatever they can talk about to keep the deplorables paranoid, angry, clicking, tuning in, and voting.

If you were waiting for this moment to be the one where they rolled over and gave in and found some ultimate arbiter to decide whether they get to keep power or whatever -- come now.

Their best strategy from here is to keep their base rabid, angry, pretending they are aggrieved victims of the Deep State and The Swamp and a hopelessly partisan justice system that ignores Hillary's crimes and abuses poor Donald Trump. That's the only hope to keep GOP spirits up and keep the GOP Congress in line here.

It's obviously a cynical and ludicrous strategy, but what other options do they have? This strategy gives them two ways to win:

- Mueller doesn't discover much or conclude much: SEE, even hyper partisan liberal Robert Mueller couldn't nail Trump, LOL nothingburger
or
- Hyper partisan Mueller witch-hunted poor Donald Trump, the deep state is alive and well, like and share!

It was never going to be any other way. They were never going to be like "let Mueller do his job undisturbed and if he discovers Trump is a lying criminal, welp, gg, we'll just fold up shop as a party now, sorry for the trouble."

Last edited by DVaut1; 06-12-2017 at 09:03 AM.
06-12-2017 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
"No cuts to Medicaid." (Rally)
"If it's not good for the American people, I won't sign it." (on Tucker/Fox)

Here's the thing though: If Trumpcare passes quickly without resistance, what's the earliest it can be reversed?

Because I think at least the Dems in Congress should still resist:

1) There are other big Trump takedown items to focus on that don't sacrifice 10s of millions of people.
2) Dems loosening up resistance and voting for the bill might confuse the dumber voting Americans who were harmed by Trumpcare.

Not sure about the people resisting at town halls, marches, etc.
Nobody cares about those other takedowns. People care about money, this is a narcissistic country.

And it isn't about sacrificing 10s of millions of people, the GOP is repealing it one way or another eventually. Better they do it sooner than later so they can feel the political pain for doing so.
06-12-2017 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Nobody cares about those other takedowns. People care about money, this is a narcissistic country.

And it isn't about sacrificing 10s of millions of people, the GOP is repealing it one way or another eventually. Better they do it sooner than later so they can feel the political pain for doing so.
This is an absolutely horrendous position to take. You are what is wrong with US politics.
06-12-2017 , 09:19 AM
Man, let's not turn into Republicans. Obviously Trumpcare or whatever nonsense trillion dollar giveaway to yacht owners they end up passing will be great politically for Democrats. But we should never in any way celebrate anything that ****s people over this badly on this scale. Ripping healthcare away from 20 million people is an atrocity. Actually caring about that is what makes us better.
06-12-2017 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
This is an absolutely horrendous position to take. You are what is wrong with US politics.
What position do you think I am taking?

All I'm saying is the GOP healthcare bill being awful is a much bigger political opportunity (with the end result being to enact good legislation) than other stuff that doesn't impact peoples lives.

If you can stop the bill from passing then go ahead, but the Republicans have the control of government that they should be able to get it done. So once that happens, you just need to hammer home the divide between what Trump said he will do and what is happening. He said this every single day to rust belt/rural crowds that applauded and gave him standing ovations. It really isn't being talked about enough how big of a campaign lie this was.

And people do infact care far more about their own wallets than what goes on with Russia or the Middle East or Saudi arms deals or Trump getting control over his brand in China.

Taking what I said and turning it into "Bro let them pass that, if some people die then whatever because sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette" is pretty disingenuous. Or just not grasping what I said, because that isn't in any way my point.
06-12-2017 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Man, let's not turn into Republicans. Obviously Trumpcare or whatever nonsense trillion dollar giveaway to yacht owners they end up passing will be great politically for Democrats. But we should never in any way celebrate anything that ****s people over this badly on this scale. Ripping healthcare away from 20 million people is an atrocity. Actually caring about that is what makes us better.
Agree. It's one thing to be powerless to stop it. It's another to celebrate it.
06-12-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Call Trump a POS on twitter, get fired.

Make up conspiracy theories that Sandy Hook was a hoax, Obama wasn't born in the U.S. and they're turning the friggin' frogs gay, get an interview on NBC with Megyn Kelly.


https://twitter.com/megynkelly/statu...53387389513728
I mean yeah this guy is a ****ing charlatan who deserves zero O2 levels but I don't get the massive /outrage levels over this interview. 60 Minutes has been interviewing guys like him (and worse) since forever.
06-12-2017 , 09:33 AM
Behold the majesty of the master race.

06-12-2017 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...79934040780801

Let's really hope Comey has a bunch left in that beautiful brain of his. Holding back info & evidence for more legal "leaks" would be elite considering how this braindead scumlord is treating him.
Trump's fundamental inability to parse and understand language is amazing.

So often his tweets confirm the opposite of what he he wants or something else. In this case he confirms what Comey wrote in his memos were factual.

This is the kind of stuff that must make traditional political handlers commit suicide. No wonder why after having no communications director for two to three months the one they get lasts about two months.

This is why nobody wants the job. All the conways, spicers and muliberry bushes just push the talking points. The WH communications director actually has to try and develop those messages in a coherent and consist message coordinated with the president himself.

Last edited by markksman; 06-12-2017 at 09:56 AM.

      
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