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06-10-2017 , 11:28 PM
Everything those guys do is from YouTube. They desperately want to be in an EDL video
06-10-2017 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
What is midevil?
Smack dab in the middle of evil. Like living in Florida
06-11-2017 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Because Muslims are allowed to freely and openly practice their religion in the US
Because Muslims exist in the US.
06-11-2017 , 06:52 AM

https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/sta...48111683977216
06-11-2017 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Midevil
I think they meant "M'devil". It's like "m'lady" - you're supposed to tip your fedora when you say it, and then when everyone laughs at you it makes you hate women and join a white power group.
06-11-2017 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Excitable Boy



https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/873717070613155840

Also off message, Don Jr. says Comey was his dad's friend. Trump says he barely knows the guy.
06-11-2017 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
armed groups of paramilitary white supremacists are the republican base
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Originally Posted by einbert
Yeah but what about those cops having a 3%'er helping them arrest Antifa people. Or that Georgia State Senator posing for a picture with these guys today. Timothy Snyder says that's a big deal.

https://eslkevin.wordpress.com/2017/...le-in-the-usa/
einbert you might appreciate this since we're discussed this before, about the parallels between the Gilded Era and then eventually the Progressive Era (~1880-1920) and our own times. I once documented a bunch of the similarities but I don't think I mentioned that the dawning of the Progressive Era saw the drastic rise and reemergence of the popularity of the Ku Klux Klan and its embrace by Southern Democrats to keep blacks away from the polls and out of civic life:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klu...5.E2.80.931944

I would sort of middle the point between "ignore these clowns" and "but wait, this is troubling" that right now, it seems like these paramilitary angrydudebros remain largely marginalized but that their emergence is almost uniformly a troubling sign. One of the things that might portend their success in the future is the increasing fusion between their talking points and ideas and the mainstream GOP. And then the eventual coordination with a mainstream political opponent to harass and intimidate political opponents. I mean Steve ****ing Bannon is an incredibly powerful person; while it may not portend much, I think we've moved outside the bounds of theoretical and into a genuine threat. OTOH most of these ACT protests yesterday were sparsely populated and had more counter protestors than protestors and you can hardly call these right wing paramilitary dudes as anything approaching the popularity of the second incarnation of the Klan in the 1920s.

Don't think this is saying anything controversial or that interesting, but I do think concern about these guys is warranted in the current climate. The Klan went from an empty shell and dispersed into masses of uncoordinated groups in the 1870s after the federal government cracked down on it to ~10% of the population and up to ~50% of some areas of the country by 1920. We're met with a common tale: a waning appetite to confront these groups and ignore them (the federal government essentially pulled out of the South by 1880, and northern elites and newspapers functionally stopped covering them) and their eventual aggrandizement and growth when left undisturbed. It didn't happen immediately or on its own, but happened when the appropriate political, social and economic climate emerged that white southerners felt threatened again and joined the backlash wholesale, and did much to violently repress blacks in the South -- often in coordination with the Democratic Party and to their benefit.

That's the lesson learned here, that revanchist right wing paramilitary groups who serve to be the violent political arm of a mainstream political party can be very 'effective' at their goals to entrench one party and deny the civic and political rights of racial minorities if left to their own devices.
06-11-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Always amusing to me to see white supremacists co-opt black gang culture; showing off their guns and making gang signs with their hands and whatnot.
The Birchers emulated early Soviet communists in structure and recruiting tactics. The Klan implemented a bunch of ersatz Catholic rituals like baptism and clergy garments.

Also: note why they do this. Not hard to see these guys suffering from a masculinity crisis and silver medalist envy. Like a lot of the right-wing and their inherent paranoia that they perpetually are second-best men, they criticize black gang culture but recognize the ways they are made to feel effeminate and frightened by black men and so seek to import their culture as a way to deal with emotion. Or note how much dip**** concern troll right-winger guys are almost dripping with envy as they describe their perception of Arab culture and how those lucky ducky Arab men get to abuse women and gays without scrutiny (while suggesting we need to bomb and conquer them because of it) while *simultaneously arguing* the forces of liberal PC culture, feminism, and cosmopolitan values has really ruined everything and emasculated our culture.
06-11-2017 , 08:24 AM
Obviously hat tip to Hofstadter, Horshoe Theory stuff: our enemies are often chosen as a projection of our own ideals, about our secret desires we can't fulfill.

I made this point obliquely lately, but consider how much pervasive and understand leftist agitation there is about Fox News and their propaganda powers, that on the event of Roger Ailes death, one of the popular twitter threads doing the round was all these younger people bemoaning the fact Fox News made their grandpa racist and angry and fearful, as if before Fox News, old white guys born between 1930-1960 were known for their peaceful, racially egalitarian spirits before Ailes corrupted them, lol.

There's a definite "projection of the self" found in leftist literature on Fox News and right-wing propaganda. Unable and frustrated to effectively organize or influence the collective mindshare of elites or the people, we find in our enemies the characteristics and features we so deeply desire for ourselves, just as paramilitary right-wing bozos consciously import the symbols and culture of black gangs to deal with their perception of being made emasculated by black guys or culture or whatever.
06-11-2017 , 08:34 AM
See also how the authoritarian mind spends so much time defending their desired implementation of immigration restrictions by pointing to the fact that Mexico treats illegal immigrants in their midst harshly; oh, you want Muslims to be able to come to America wily nilly? Why not try to immigrate to Iran, they say unironically.

Or when the inevitable white angerbears try to stop a mosque from being built in their community, consider how often the say Saudi Arabia won't let you build a church, hurr hurr.

These are only a completely bat****, nonsensical retorts if you assumed shared norms about liberal values, freedom of movement, freedom of religion but you see them CONSTANTLY. They only makes sense once you realize how much these guys are deeply envious of foreign authoritarians, how they are effectively pleading about how Saudi Arabia and Mexico have met common sense ideals that we failed to live up to. Once you understand the talking point as "our tribal enemies are waging war against our tribe and we are not fighting back" which is basically like 99% of all right-winger talking points, then it becomes completely sensible what they're asking for, which is a government and policies meant to favor whites. And that their deep fears and envies about all the world's great authoritarians doing wonderful things and the US is held back. See right-wing Putin worship, etc. etc.

Last edited by DVaut1; 06-11-2017 at 08:43 AM.
06-11-2017 , 09:34 AM
Love me some DVaut1.
06-11-2017 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Love me some DVaut1.
+1000

Awesome posts.
06-11-2017 , 10:06 AM
DJT Jr: When my father tells somebody something, he's assertive. He doesn't "hope" anything.

Ummm...might want to go through his tweets and interviews. He says "I hope" all the time, junior. Also, Daddy denied saying ANY of that to Comey.

Every Republican: "He's new." "He didn't have intent to commit a crime." "His phrasing really meant..."

POTUS: I didn't say any of it.

LMAO. Also, he almost definitely tried to get Coats and Rogers (IC heads) to step in to downplay the investigations. He tried to interfere with the investigations at least 5 times, with Nunes WH scandals, 2x and 9 private conversations with Comey, clearing the VP & AG & Son-In-Chief out of the room ahead of time, month-long criticism of Hillary obstructing justice when Bill met with Loretta Lynch on the plane.

Naive excuse squished, WH messaging squished.

Last edited by Our House; 06-11-2017 at 10:12 AM.
06-11-2017 , 10:14 AM
Any day with Zevon in it is a good day. sun.jpg
06-11-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
obv snowflakery
06-11-2017 , 10:48 AM

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06-11-2017 , 10:52 AM
@dvaut 39965

And the Klan resurgence wasn't specifically a southern thing. In 1920 Oregon had the highest Klan membership per capita.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...rticle/492035/

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The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha.
06-11-2017 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

<3
i take this as a welcome sign that other world leaders may begin to express the same position. to Corbyn and the U.K.

Observer view: Trump should not be welcomed in Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...state-visit-uk
06-11-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

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corbyn happy to set aside differences and share a platform with hamas in the name of open and constructive dialogue, isn't happy to do it for the current president of our closest ally

i find this bothersome
06-11-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Obviously hat tip to Hofstadter, Horshoe Theory stuff: our enemies are often chosen as a projection of our own ideals, about our secret desires we can't fulfill.

I made this point obliquely lately, but consider how much pervasive and understand leftist agitation there is about Fox News and their propaganda powers, that on the event of Roger Ailes death, one of the popular twitter threads doing the round was all these younger people bemoaning the fact Fox News made their grandpa racist and angry and fearful, as if before Fox News, old white guys born between 1930-1960 were known for their peaceful, racially egalitarian spirits before Ailes corrupted them, lol.

There's a definite "projection of the self" found in leftist literature on Fox News and right-wing propaganda. Unable and frustrated to effectively organize or influence the collective mindshare of elites or the people, we find in our enemies the characteristics and features we so deeply desire for ourselves, just as paramilitary right-wing bozos consciously import the symbols and culture of black gangs to deal with their perception of being made emasculated by black guys or culture or whatever.
Obviously fox did not create the boomer generation racist tendencies. I do think you are letting them off the hook at little though. It seems very likely fox and right wing radio has delayed social progress significantly by providing a counter to the cultures general trends toward said progress.

Last edited by Clovis8; 06-11-2017 at 11:13 AM.
06-11-2017 , 11:10 AM
Yeah. I've spent a lot of time in rural midwestern communities in my life. Prior to Fox News, people in these places were starting to be shamed into shutting the **** up with the overt racism. Of course they were still super racist, horrible people by and large, but some measure of shame was creeping in. FNC blew all of that away and played a major role in taking much of this stuff from "stuff grandpa believes but only says out loud after his second scotch" to like, a mainstream opinion grandpa now thinks is Just Common Sense.
06-11-2017 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
corbyn happy to set aside differences and share a platform with hamas in the name of open and constructive dialogue, isn't happy to do it for the current president of our closest ally

i find this bothersome
I can't blame this chap. At least the Hamas leaders know how to shake hands like grownups.
06-11-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
corbyn happy to set aside differences and share a platform with hamas in the name of open and constructive dialogue, isn't happy to do it for the current president of our closest ally

i find this bothersome
Trump canceled the visit because he is afraid of getting booed. That actually is a show of solidarity with Americans...he'd get booed at a public event in pretty much any major US city.
06-11-2017 , 11:22 AM
i know that. i have a problem with corbyn being happy to meet up with all manner of the arse end of humanity in the name of open, honest and constructive dialogue but drawing the line at donald j drumpf

to be clear: i hope drumpf is found guilty of high treason, forcibly removed from office and sentenced to 950 years on the island of saint helena without an umbrella in the very near future, but the man being the frontrunner for biggest wanker in recorded history doesn't excuse corbyn's hypocrisy. he's been calling for drumpf's visit to be cancelled for months

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