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06-07-2017 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
There's a lot of talk on the shows about the nonanswers given by the intelligence people this morning, mostly about how it's not justified and so on. Not much speculation on why they would resort to mealy mouthed bs about their feelings and vague crap about it being inappropriate, though. The uniformity of the answers suggests the possibility they were coached or discussed their answers amoung themselves prior to the hearing. I didn't watch the whole thing, but did anyone ask them "Are you refusing to answer out of a sense of personal loyalty to Donald Trump? Were you asked to pledge loyalty?"
Those would have been good questions, but I don't believe they were asked.
06-07-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
There's a lot of talk on the shows about the nonanswers given by the intelligence people this morning, mostly about how it's not justified and so on. Not much speculation on why they would resort to mealy mouthed bs about their feelings and vague crap about it being inappropriate, though. The uniformity of the answers suggests the possibility they were coached or discussed their answers amoung themselves prior to the hearing. I didn't watch the whole thing, but did anyone ask them "Are you refusing to answer out of a sense of personal loyalty to Donald Trump? Were you asked to pledge loyalty?"
I tend to agree that this was a coordinated effort and that they were NOT working out of loyalty to Trump.

IMO, they all understand that it's best to keep it a mystery (in public) that they are or aren't Trump loyalists. Trump is the other person aware of whether he said these things. What Trump doesn't know is who to trust and who to put on the enemies list.

By keeping information private that could possibly be construed as obstruction, that Mueller is aware of, and that GOP in Congress will shrug off all of the time, they all get to keep their jobs. Not for selfish reasons, but because it's so much better for the country to have career individuals who are already working on a case, with ties to each other and the workers in their departments, than it is to have them fired and replaced by rubber stamping Trump loyalists.
06-07-2017 , 11:48 PM
Regarding the Reality Winner leak and Russians. Is the attempted machine infiltration getting close to an act of war or we just let it happen and take it on the chin? Probably lift all sanctions until we can figure out what is going on.
06-07-2017 , 11:54 PM
Good luck getting Trump to take any action against Russia. Good luck getting him to even admit that Russia interfered. Good luck getting Trump to stop taking favorable actions towards Russia, often at the expense of the US and her allies, and for NOTHING in return. And good luck getting him to explain why to any of these things.
06-07-2017 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
I love me some Dershowitz troll. I think he has a mar a lago membership. He just will not stay off TRUMPs ween.

For someone constantly cited as a liberal and THE legal expert, it's quite amazing how hard he has defended Trump and the Muslim ban, and how wrong he has been.
06-07-2017 , 11:55 PM
Dershowitz and Daddy are both Epstein Island alums. Mutually assured destruction.
06-08-2017 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
For someone constantly cited as a liberal and THE legal expert, it's quite amazing how hard he has defended Trump and the Muslim ban, and how wrong he has been.
I saw him tonight and the last few weeks too. It's like someone got to him or some ****. He used to make solid and cogent points. Now he throws away logic and law to be a Trump apologist. So weird.
06-08-2017 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Dershowitz and Daddy are both Epstein Island alums. Mutually assured destruction.
06-08-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
I love me some Dershowitz troll. I think he has a mar a lago membership. He just will not stay off TRUMPs ween.
I'm deeply concerned that half of your posts have penises in them.
06-08-2017 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
Regarding the Reality Winner leak and Russians. Is the attempted machine infiltration getting close to an act of war or we just let it happen and take it on the chin? Probably lift all sanctions until we can figure out what is going on.
It's only an act of war if it helps democrats.
06-08-2017 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
Regarding the Reality Winner leak and Russians. Is the attempted machine infiltration getting close to an act of war or we just let it happen and take it on the chin? Probably lift all sanctions until we can figure out what is going on.
Trump likely thanked Russia bigly for testing our cyber-security safeguards in such a real-world way. So important!
06-08-2017 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
No it isn't. At least not if we are talking about the Russia story. You have lost your mind. Yes Trump is a horrible president, a scumbag and a criminal but continuing to hammer this Russia narrative is a huge loser long term. There are other ways to take him down and this is clearly not going to be it.
lol this guy. Gtfo.
06-08-2017 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
I'm deeply concerned that half of your posts have penises in them.
24/7 ween dog don't hate. lol I didn't know Alan was part of the pedo clan. Figures. The POTUS prob has Trumpromat on him.
06-08-2017 , 01:09 AM
Does anybody else find Trump's lawyer's response highly laughable? They want us to throw a parade because THE US PRESIDENT told the truth about one claim. This is how low the bar has gone.
06-08-2017 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
I tend to agree that this was a coordinated effort and that they were NOT working out of loyalty to Trump.

IMO, they all understand that it's best to keep it a mystery (in public) that they are or aren't Trump loyalists. Trump is the other person aware of whether he said these things. What Trump doesn't know is who to trust and who to put on the enemies list.

By keeping information private that could possibly be construed as obstruction, that Mueller is aware of, and that GOP in Congress will shrug off all of the time, they all get to keep their jobs. Not for selfish reasons, but because it's so much better for the country to have career individuals who are already working on a case, with ties to each other and the workers in their departments, than it is to have them fired and replaced by rubber stamping Trump loyalists.
That's a level or two more complicated than needed imo. It could be Trump told them he doesn't want to assert executive priviledge (bc it makes him look guilty) but could they see their way clear to not mention his asking about making the Russia investigation disappear, because of you know, that thing they have, and because of course he had been very loyal to them. Then he suggested the not feeling pressured and inappropriate to discuss lines.
06-08-2017 , 01:43 AM
06-08-2017 , 01:52 AM
https://www.vox.com/first-person/201...t-bannon-trump

Why breitburt fired that one chick, and how the company morphed into the first state-run media/propaganda machine in American history.
06-08-2017 , 01:53 AM
Is that twitter real or comedy?



Either way it's pretty funny.
06-08-2017 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I still don't understand why there aren't ads with cancer kids running every ****ing day with the kid saying "Paul Ryan wants to take my health care away" and shedding a single tear.
Because a significant portion of the Dem congressional delegation is beholden to the pharmaceutical industry.
06-08-2017 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I never thought I'd see the day when the North Koreans had the moral high ground, but here we are...

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06-08-2017 , 02:35 AM
@DPRK_News is good stuff. Someone's definitely putting solid effort into that


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06-08-2017 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
There's a lot of talk on the shows about the nonanswers given by the intelligence people this morning, mostly about how it's not justified and so on. Not much speculation on why they would resort to mealy mouthed bs about their feelings and vague crap about it being inappropriate, though. The uniformity of the answers suggests the possibility they were coached or discussed their answers amoung themselves prior to the hearing. I didn't watch the whole thing, but did anyone ask them "Are you refusing to answer out of a sense of personal loyalty to Donald Trump? Were you asked to pledge loyalty?"
They probably so neck deep in all this Trump **** that they can be charged for being complicit. They probably stalling for time and hope Trump accidently hands the Congress the smoking gun so they wont have to provide a full testimony.

The ship is sinking lads.
06-08-2017 , 04:03 AM
Its a lot easier to speculate than to produce real facts. The media has done fine with the speculation, they will struggle to convey the same Trump-is-guilty message when it comes to fact based reporting. CNN just had to issue a correction about their previous speculative reporting in light of Comey's statement.
06-08-2017 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Is that twitter real or comedy?
DPRK News is a spoof account, but I wouldn't be stunned if there's some mildly worthless poll that purports to show British people are more interested in reality TV and marmite controversies than the current election.
06-08-2017 , 06:02 AM

      
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