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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-07-2017 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
It's relevant because before there was Mueller's investigation, it was really hard to tell which Trump loyalists in the IC would run back to Trump with things they discovered. That would be very very bad because it would compromise the investigations...ALL of them. Therefore, the more crucial the classified intel was, the more likely it would be shared with very few people.

Special Counsel Mueller is a whole new ballgame. He can operate independently and has access to all of the classified intel. He won't be worried about loyalists, or leaks. For all intents and purposes, the real investigation into Trump/Russia AND anything resulting from it, just started 2 to 3 weeks ago.
But it was investigated under Obama for what 5-6 months? This whole line of thought seems very flawed. I have no doubt that Trump could possibly influence the direction of the investigation from Jan 21st or whatever to May 10th or whatever. What I am saying is this has been investigated for months and months by an administration with justifiable political motive and they turned up exactly zero that directly links Trump to the Russian interference. At least that we know of. That isn't my opinion that is incontrovertable fact. They did turn up that people like Flynn were possibly compromised and yes that may turn into more but there has been nothing directly linking Trump to it yet and without that nothing will happen.
06-07-2017 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Wouldn't the seriousness of the obstruction charge be directly related to the seriousness of the Flynn case? I think at least one of Flynn's phone conversations with the Russians was recorded. So if he did something treasonous it would really amp up the obstruction case against Trump IMO. If Flynn did nothing wrong, as Trump contends, then maybe Trump gets a pass on the obstruction. For now, its enough to know that Trump tried to short-circuit the investigation.
If Trump operated rationally, yes. But he could be hiding a tiny crime and the rest is just his ego unwilling to admit he had help winning the election.
06-07-2017 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
I think you are making too much of past leaks. That material may have been relatively accessible to regular FBI employees, with the best stuff overseen by Comey/Mueller kept more close to the vest.
Fair enough. I just find it hard to believe that a bombshell of that magnitude would be withheld given the stakes and the rampant leaks during this adminisration. Will definitely concede I could be wrong about that I just don't think it is likely.
06-07-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Hard to say it's a waste of political capital. Are the Democrats really "spending" any capital to let Trump walk in a field of rakes?
To clarify what I mean by spending political capital is that if they fail to scalp Trump on this issue it will get progressvely harder each time they miss as the public gets "boy who cried wolf" fatigue. It also would give validity to Trump's whole war cry of FAKE NEWS and LIBERUL MEDIA OUT TO GET ME. If he survives this unscathed in many ways he gets stronger which is terrifying.
06-07-2017 , 10:16 PM
if? you mean when. Only a few dems are even calling for it.

Reality is democrats probably don't want trump impeached. Suckers are giving them money in droves which is what the corrupt ones want, and that's still the majority of dems.
06-07-2017 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
if? you mean when. Only a few dems are even calling for it.

Reality is democrats probably don't want trump impeached. Suckers are giving them money in droves which is what the corrupt ones want, and that's still the majority of dems.
At least the official reports regarding fundraising for April the Dems aren't doing as well as you would think.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dn...rticle/2623837
06-07-2017 , 10:21 PM
please stop quoting wichita
06-07-2017 , 10:23 PM
Senate intel chair Burr has already came out and said Trump did no wrongdoing (about all comey stuff).

WAAF.
06-07-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
But it was investigated under Obama for what 5-6 months? This whole line of thought seems very flawed. I have no doubt that Trump could possibly influence the direction of the investigation from Jan 21st or whatever to May 10th or whatever. What I am saying is this has been investigated for months and months by an administration with justifiable political motive and they turned up exactly zero that directly links Trump to the Russian interference. At least that we know of. That isn't my opinion that is incontrovertable fact. They did turn up that people like Flynn were possibly compromised and yes that may turn into more but there has been nothing directly linking Trump to it yet and without that nothing will happen.
In theory, yes. In practice, I don't know if Trump can overcome the perception, even if he's completely innocent, of being a bumbling lying baffoon who knows nothing of how the government works. He hasn't exactly handled himself adroitly and I don't think there is going to be a decisive moment that's going to wipe away everything. More than likely, even if Trump is ultimately innocent, it's just going to continously drag on eventually fading away with Trump continously acting stupid all along the way and people remembering that more than anything.
06-07-2017 , 10:28 PM
Vicente Fox video delivers. Amazing.
06-07-2017 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
please stop quoting wichita
Reality is cold and hard, I'll leave you in peace to post all the fake news about 50k mental health professionals and the like. Wouldn't want to disturb that level of discourse and rational discussion.
06-07-2017 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
Really good posting by DVaut, as usual. Imagine if Malia Obama said she didn't see Republicans as humans? People's heads would literally have exploded. The hypocrisy is infuriating to deal with and it's so tempting to point out but he's right: Dem voters and sympathizers don't care. I'm outraged by Eric Trump's comments (straight up Nazi talk) but it hardly seems to have caused a ripple in the liberal sphere. We just need to emphasize why we're better than them, it shouldn't be this hard - Republicans have no ideas for helping the vast majority of Americans, full stop.
I think it's because people suspect he didn't mean to say it like that, he's just too dumb to phrase properly what he was trying to say.
06-07-2017 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
Reality is cold and hard, I'll leave you in peace to post all the fake news about 50k mental health professionals and the like. Wouldn't want to disturb that level of discourse and rational discussion.
Just because you went a whole day without mentioning H-Dog and her terrible, terrible no good very bad vagina (wtg!) doesn't mean you get to talk down to people.
06-07-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
Fair enough. I just find it hard to believe that a bombshell of that magnitude would be withheld given the stakes and the rampant leaks during this adminisration. Will definitely concede I could be wrong about that I just don't think it is likely.
You're making two assumptions that the rest of us don't make.

1) Collusion with Russia is the be all end all of "crimes" that Trump has committed or will commit.

2) GOP will find collusion with Russia sufficient to begin impeachment, and not other practices or crimes with a lot more concrete evidence.
06-07-2017 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
please stop quoting wichita
This that dude polishes the tip.
06-07-2017 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
I think it's because people suspect he didn't mean to say it like that, he's just too dumb to phrase properly what he was trying to say.
He's that dumb but that's really what he meant. He's a chip off the old block.

When people named trump say terrible things--they mean every word.
06-07-2017 , 11:03 PM
p.s.

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Originally Posted by 5ive
I think it's because people suspect he didn't mean to say it like that, he's just too dumb to phrase properly what he was trying to say.
I gather he was trying to say the people who are stridently opposing his daddy are so full of hate they've forgotten their humanity, as in, their kindness and decency, and are blinded by rage.

But, like, he's a dumbass f**kface, like his daddy, so it came out as it did.

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Originally Posted by american psycho #2
I've never seen hatred like this, and to me they're not even people. It's so, so sad, I mean morality is just gone, morals have flown out the window we deserve so much better than this as a country. You know it's so sad.
06-07-2017 , 11:07 PM
There's a lot of talk on the shows about the nonanswers given by the intelligence people this morning, mostly about how it's not justified and so on. Not much speculation on why they would resort to mealy mouthed bs about their feelings and vague crap about it being inappropriate, though. The uniformity of the answers suggests the possibility they were coached or discussed their answers amoung themselves prior to the hearing. I didn't watch the whole thing, but did anyone ask them "Are you refusing to answer out of a sense of personal loyalty to Donald Trump? Were you asked to pledge loyalty?"
06-07-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
p.s.

I gather he was trying to say the people who are stridently opposing his daddy are so full of hate they've forgotten their humanity, as in, their kindness and decency, and are blinded by rage.
Got to love it when people full of hate and love obstruction are mad about other people having hate and obstruct. Even tho dems aren't really obstructing because they control nothing.
06-07-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Man, you guys seriously don't get what's going on in our country. You don't need more pundits attacking Trump and/or the GOP. That just STRENGTHENS Trump!
Just in case no one bothered pointing out how dumb this is, this is really dumb. The only group trump is still fleecing is white men, and he's even losing them in polls. His corruption and incompetence are on full display (if you don't mainline Faux News 24/7) and people are reacting.
06-07-2017 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
He's that dumb but that's really what he meant. He's a chip off the old block.

When people named trump say terrible things--they mean every word.
Heh, I posted a postscript right below you.

I think he obviously doesn't view most other people as people so the one interpretation is correct, and dismissing people hating his daddy as simply haters also isn't viewing them as people, I just found it weird and interesting that he seemed like he was really trying to say something else but just didn't have the eloquence.
06-07-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Got to love it when people full of hate and love obstruction are mad about other people having hate and obstruct.
That's if we grant him that level of awareness. The whole thing reads like 'stop being mean to my daddy!' And the daddy haters aren't subhuman, they're boogey-monsters.
06-07-2017 , 11:21 PM
I really want the Muslim Ban case to go to scotus and Gorsuch to vote against. That would tilt the **** out of loyalty loving Trump. Will also be fun to see the contortions Fox News, et al, will go to bashing the decision of a dude they were slurping for months.
06-07-2017 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Just in case no one bothered pointing out how dumb this is, this is really dumb. The only group trump is still fleecing is white men, and he's even losing them in polls. His corruption and incompetence are on full display (if you don't mainline Faux News 24/7) and people are reacting.
Just in case no one points out how much dumber this is than what it was responding to, this is really really dumb! It doesn't matter who Trump is fleecing. Most people aren't political news junkies like you are. They have lives to live and aren't watching ANY news 24/7 like you do. So most of it is NOT on full display and that, my completely out of touch typical libtard 2p2er, is why you are very very wrong.
06-07-2017 , 11:23 PM
I love me some Dershowitz troll. I think he has a mar a lago membership. He just will not stay off TRUMPs ween.


      
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