Pwn, Namath, Chippa, others:

Where does Trump admit to obstruction of justice, and what is the smoking gun?

I'm arguing against Trumpers, and the Holt & Russian comments come close, but don't quite get there.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1505 is what I would go with. Apparently there are some technicalities that Trump could argue to try to get off the hook but make him fight the battle on our grounds. Clear violation of spirit of law, and let's see if your attorneys can get you off the hook with some arcane and convulted case law.

I don't understand why you are fixated on collusion with Russia specifically. Flynn's work for Turkey is an incredible smoking gun, and Comey's testimony has relevance to that.

Because WichitaDM is a right wing concern troll. Every post is "I hate Trump as much of as the rest of you..." followed by more words which invariably defend Trump.

Holt comments are the smoking gun. His comments to the Lavrov bragging about the firing are secondary, but not going to convince anyone who is willing to ignore the Holt comments.

I've known a few of these IRL who have since fully jumped on board, so idk.

I read it as some ridiculous mental deficiency that causes some people to need help walking through every single step that leads to Trump = disaster, no matter how ridiculous and obvious it is to anyone with a brain

it's probably made up of a lot of people with tribal loyalty who know this **** is FUBAR but just can't get past their affiliations. tribal loyalties are hard to get past.

yea, the idiots saying this is nbd need to stfu, go away, and let the grownups talk. this is absolutely a very big deal.

Trumps lines about how he always tells everyone to watch out for tiny cameras and how he always assumed he was being recorded in Russia seems like a pretty big leak. Like, why would Trump think he was being recorded on Russia.. I think the video is real.

lol, ok, we'll see how far this goes then.

not even a page ago you linked a debunked statement about 50k mental health professionals signing some thing saying trump fits the DSM for narcisstic PD.

Trump's too stupid to mean he was committing obstruction of justice guys!

then he's too stupid to be president of the united states and needs to go.

They would've impeached and removed hillary a long time ago if roles were reversed.

Holt comments are close but not quite a smoking gun. Defense is simply that yes, Trump thinks Russia thing is a made up story, but Trump doesn't say he fired Comey to stop the investigation.

This is an extremely dumb read for a number of reasons. Find one post where I defend Trump for one. I am just saying it is very unlikely that there is more than circumstantial evidence implicating Trump directly. That is very different than defending the guy. He is a reprehensible person and horrible president.

Applying some basic logic to this situation does not make me a Trump defender.

As someone who worked in mental health for nearly a decade the amount of professionalism demonstrated by those employed in the field varies widely, and I can't imagine any responsible clinician actually making such a statement about someone they haven't personally evaluated.

anyone can sign it. I just signed it again 5 mins ago.

Trump confirms Comey's statement is totally and completely accurate.



https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/sta...63098732941312

Then show me the evidence that Donald Trump colluded with Turkey or Russia or I don't care. If the best evidence that exists is what we already know the story isn't going anywhere.

I'm fixated on the collusion because you need Trump to actually have colluded with Russia or some other foriegn entity for this story to actually matter wrt impeachment. You should be fixated on that aspect also as ultimately it is the only part that matters.

Twitter imbed didn't work right. Anyway, "New York conversation" that's gonna be my favorite excuse so far.

re: 50k mental health professionals, i see nothing about it being de-bunked. link? i know several mental health professionals on a personal level and every single one of them agrees that he is dangerous and unfit.

the bottom line here is that comey's recollection of events is bolstered by trump's own comments about their meetings and his motivation for firing him.

Of course they would have. And a D House & Senate would have started moving on Trump already. Neither of those things are reality.

Which is why we need even more evidence and actual smoking guns to turn the tide with R's. What we have right now publicly is not enough. Hopefully the investigations turn those things up. Or continued media/public pressure forces Trump & team into more mistakes.

But the people saying we have enough right now, for obstruction of justice or collusion with Russians, are not correct. We need more.

if it's just a change.org petition then lol me, but he is still dangerously unfit for office and i haven't seen a single mental health professional come out to defend his emotional maturity level and temperament

Thought experiment. What piece of evidence do you think would be enough for Paul Ryan to move forward with articles of impeachment?

Imo this all just makes it more likely that it's all true. Trump's actions make no sense if he is innocent. Why would he fire Comey if the only thing he wanted to do was "move on" like he said in the private Comey meetings? He has to know by know that exactly the opposite would happen if he fired Comey.

It all reads like Trump tried to get answers out of Comey and once he realized Comey wasn't going to give him anything he realized it's better to fire him immediately rather than wait until stuff might get too complicated or when he has no time left to move things around in his favor. Fire Comey now and he still has time to set things up in his favor.

Trump probably failed to realize that Comey was ahead of him and had already set things up to so that being fired would not have a major impact.


If I'm overlooking something and this all is wrong please tell me, but I think this by far makes the most sense .

That's where the obstruction comes in.

It is simple. Direct evidence of Trump/Russia collusion or the like.

Who the **** cares? It still needs to be investigated/talked about and if it doesn't weed him out it'll weed out pieces of **** associated with him. This should be about us doing the right thing for the country not simply trying to take Trump down. Forget he even exists and a lot of really sketchy **** has gone down in regards to Russia, so why stop the narrative?