I'm not defending Trump by any means. I think that he comes off looking pretty awful in Comey's testimony.

But I am highly cynical. The political bar to removing Trump from office is so high as to be nearly unclearable. The faintest whiff of ambiguity or misinterpretation is probably enough to keep every member of team GOP in line.

Bolded is the million dollar question.

I don't trust Congress to ask Comey the right questions.

Franken and company could have scalped Sessions during his confirmation hearing if they hadn't been so concerned with grandstanding. Despite having law degrees, most members of Congress are less effective at asking questions than second year litigators.

Republicans have criticized Comey saying if Trump had asked him to go easy on Flynn, then Comey should have reported that immediately. So now he(or the media) should ask Republicans, since they now know what the President said, whether Trump's action constitutes obstruction of justice. I doubt they'll answer yes. So, if they don't think its obstruction, then why would they expect Comey to come forward eariler?

1) Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice and admitted to it and 2) Congress will not impeach him.

These are two different things. It is wrong to say that Ds shouldn't demand justice on #1 just because their colleagues in Congress are cowards enabling Trump and ignoring his crimes for political gain.

It really is amazing how Trump brings down everyone who does business with him to his own embarrassingly low level. I mean think how embarrassing is it for the awvalolololols to have to admit that the guy they got conned by should be impeached after just 5 months by his own party? That is what con artists like Trump understand so well, the shame of being conned will cause the mark to continue to enable the con and further empower the con artist.

Bolded is inexcusable imo. Even if you're not a seasoned trial attorney you have lawyers on staff, there's no reason not to be asking good questions, at least when it comes to the Dems.

https://twitter.com/EricBoehlert/sta...33576864149509


https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/st...75863740186626

https://youtu.be/WCfMgqnq2uo

This is exactly correct. The ONLY way to hurt Trump before January 2019 (at the EARLIEST) is to hurt him politically by pointing out his misdeeds as often as they happen as often as you can. I don't think anyone is under any illusions here outside of the twitterverse (and most of them don't really believe it themselves).

"We should just stop with this Russia thing because there's no way to get rid of Trump" is just stupidity put into words.

Where is the proof that Trump is tied to the hacking. He is only guilty of it if he had knowledge or acted in some way. Absent that there is nothing concrete here.

Granted there is tons of extremely circumstantial evidence. And I agree with you that Trump is likely guilty of something. But there needs to be proof and absent that you have nothing that is going to be actionable.

I agree that they are two different things. I guess I should have said I don't think Comey's written testimony is enough to result in impeachment on grounds of obstruction of justice.

I'm not defending Trump either. I want him gone as much as the rest of you. But if you think this story is going to be what gets him out of office you are completely delusional. At some point when there continues to be no direct tie between Russia and Trump continuing to push the narrative is foolish.

You guys also assume Trump's actions with Comey are anything other than his normal buffoonery and were more nefarious. If there is one thing we know for certain about Trump it is that he is a moron who acts without considering consequences. It doesn't make what he did right and he shouldn't be president but there are other options besides OMG SMOKING GUNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Congresscritters are the absolute WOAT questioners. They just give speeches. Biden talked for 26 of his 30 minutes with Roberts.

Stopping Russia talk is ******ed.

1) Russia today (LOL RT) isn't the same as Russia last week. And that isn't the same as Russia last year. We're learning new things on a daily basis pretty much. The stories aren't nothingburgers either. They're all newsworthy.

2a) Shutting Russia down is what Trump wants because he's not innocent. Look at him break the law repeatedly to hide it.

2b) Shutting Russia down is what Trump wants because he's mentally deteriorating by trying to keep all the lies straight. And that's causing him to make more mistakes, and out more facts and/or people involved. He's also extremely paranoid and isolated, causing even more distrust of everyone around him which is leading to even more mistakes.

3) Ummmm...how about holding Russia accountable before they do it again?! Only Republicans don't want to do this. Do you think they might happen to NEED THE HELP in 2018 or 2020??

Yeah, it is not as if he would have invited the Russians to hack Clintons e-mails

... oh wait.



Despite that, if he falls, it will be s handling of the scnadal rather then the scandal itself, as it always is.

Its not circumstantial, he is guilty of obstruction of justice. He 1) fired Comey 2) to impede an investigation 3) of alleged criminal activity by his colleagues. Do you dispute any of that? Trump doesn't.

That's right. And we don't yet know what the results of the Flynn investigation will reveal. When we know that, we'll know exactly what it was that Trump wanted swept under the rug.

Trump admitted to obstruction of justice, that is the smoking gun. Your line allows you to get steamrolled by narcissistic morons, which is pretty silly. Trump gets all the benefits of being a narcissistic moron by openly welcoming Russia's nefarious activities and hiring all kinds of shady people to amplify Russia's work if not collude with them.

Trump then commits a crime to cover-up the activities of the shady people that helped him win, and you are like well he is just a moron, as long as he didn't commit outright treason then we should just let it go.

Actually, i couldnt find a section that in US code that would apply. What exact law would you say he broke?

Of all the dumbass lines taken by liberals, "we can't nail him he is just too dumb" has to take the cake

You need to stop posting this Republican talking point nonsense. It's a "gaps" argument. Appeal from ignorance. A game. The idea is to keep asking for something out of the pool of things we don't yet know.

The truth is, you have no idea what is known or not. Because if you were Robert Mueller or Comey or whoever in charge of such intel, would you let Trump know, or would you keep a tight lid on it with very few insiders?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Collusion with a foreign govt to rig an election is extraordinary. Obstruction of justice less so, but still nuts.

I don't think anything in Comey's testimony is surprising or new info, thus the meh response. Nothing has happened/will happen from this info, no reason to expect anything else from this congress.

Obstruction of justice, even if trump straight up said "I want to obstruct justice mr. comey, how can you help me?" is probably not enough for impeachment with this congress.

We need the piss tapes.

Yes you are right. They are probably sitting on evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians. For a year. And it has no chance of leaking because our intelligence community would never do that.

It is much more likely there is no direct evidence at least not yet than what you are insinuating based on what you want to be true. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money on it if there was a way to do it. You guys are so emotionally invested in this to see reality.

As to the obstruction stuff if that's the best we have this isn't going anywhere...

It isnt a "gap" argument it is literally making the most plausible conclusion based on what we know. We know there is a large segment of the population and intelligence community who want trump gone. We know there are some in the intelligence community willing to leak damaging information regarding Trump. We know they have been investigating Trump for over a year. We know that there has not been and direct evidence of Trump collusion either officially released or leaked.

Only a complete moron would look at that and say "The most likely outcome is that they are sitting on the bombshell for a year and allowing someone we have proof colluded with the Russians to be president." I know you want it to be that way. But most likely it is the other way.

lol Chris Christie left the buffet long enough to embarrass himself on TV

Comey: He then said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

That is one heartfelt lie, by Trump.