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06-06-2017 , 11:49 PM
Trudeau decides it's just not worth appeasing Trump in foreign policy shift

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America has left the world, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland signalled in Tuesday’s landmark foreign policy address. Canada and its allies will hang together, she vowed, awaiting its return.

This was a very dangerous thing to say. But we live in dangerous times.

Although Ms. Freeland never mentioned the words “Donald Trump” in her speech to the House, practically every line was informed by the crisis of his rogue presidency. Clearly, something happened at May’s NATO and G7 meetings to make Prime Minister Justin Trudeau conclude there is nothing to be gained by treating with this man.
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“Many of the voters in last year’s presidential election cast their ballots, animated in part by a desire to shrug off the burden of world leadership,” Ms. Freeland told a silent House of Commons.

“The fact that our friend and ally has come to question the very worth of its mantle of global leadership puts into sharper focus the need for the rest of us to set our own clear and sovereign course,” Ms. Freeland said. “For Canada, that course must be the renewal, indeed the strengthening, of the postwar multilateral order.”

“You could easily imagine a Canadian view that says, we are safe on our continent, and we have things to do at home, so let’s turn inward. Let’s say Canada First,” Ms. Freeland declared. But “that would be wrong.” As wrong for Canada as it is for the United States.
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The Trudeau doctrine will rest on three pillars. The first is military: Ms. Freeland promised major new investments following the release Wednesday of the government’s defence policy review. We’ve heard such promises before. Doctrines are cheap, but it takes money to buy whisky, or warships.

Second, the minister vowed Canada would spare no effort to preserve and strengthen the Western alliance, citing the deployment of Canadian troops to Latvia currently under way. “There can be no clearer sign that NATO and Article Five [which declares an attack on one NATO member to be an attack on all] are at the heart of Canada’s national security policy,” Ms. Freeland stated – a not-so-veiled reference to Mr. Trump’s refusal to endorse Article Five when he harangued the NATO leaders in Brussels two weeks ago.

Third, Canada will aggressively pursue new trade agreements, Ms. Freeland vowed, not needing to state that Mr. Trump has withdrawn from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, is threatening to scrap NAFTA and generally has thrown the entire global trading order into disarray.

“Far from seeing trade as a zero-sum game, we believe in trading relationships that benefit all parties,” she maintained, adding, “we believe in the WTO and will continue our work to make it stronger.” Again, these words were clearly directed at Mr. Trump, who has called the World Trade Organization “a disaster” and threatens to withdraw the United States from it.

This may be the bluntest repudiation of Mr. Trump and his policies yet delivered by a Western government, and it is high-risk. Ms. Freeland’s address is, in effect, a promise to Canada’s European and Asian allies that we are with them, not with the Americans. Mr. Trump may well lump Canada in with everyone else when he seeks to impose tariffs or other punishments.

But the Liberals no longer seem to care. They have decided that the only solution to dealing with Mr. Trump is to wait him out.

For the first time in our country’s history, Canada’s foreign policy is essentially opposed to the foreign policy of the United States. Who would have thought we would live in such times?

Last edited by Oroku$aki; 06-06-2017 at 11:55 PM.
06-06-2017 , 11:58 PM
For the first time in my life I may have to vote Liberal in the upcoming election in 2019 or whenever it is. Voting for the name Trudeau would make me want to vomit though. (his dad was Prime Minister for like 14 years or something and was super socialist- talked of a Utopian Ideal society and bankrupted Canada)

I wonder how my beloved leader Harper would have treated this US administration, rumours are he didn't get along with Obama which is odd. My guess is Obama wasn't pro free trade enough for Harper who wanted to be super aggressive, he tried forever to get Canada into the EU, with the deal getting done semi-early into Trudeau's tenure. I think Harper originally wanted to be a near full member or something close to what Norway's deal is.

Odd that the right wing has historically been very progressive when it comes to foreign trade, and still is around the world. However in the US, it seems the right wing is much less open to trade than the left.

Last edited by bigt2k4; 06-07-2017 at 12:21 AM.
06-07-2017 , 12:02 AM
Remember the good old days where the president of the united states taking money from childrens cancer stuff would've been a scandal.

Instead we got that and today's hillary was proud of using slave labor.

Lovely presidential race we had, a narc who dgaf vs a narc who dgaf. At least Hillary wasn't as stupid I guess?
06-07-2017 , 12:06 AM


I could see this really setting off Trump.
06-07-2017 , 12:18 AM
I'm not gay but I'd get in the middle of an Obama and Trudeau sammy.

#justthetip
06-07-2017 , 12:27 AM
This is astounding
06-07-2017 , 12:28 AM
trump will soon be way too busy to care about canada
06-07-2017 , 12:43 AM
You evil bastards, obtructing a great man and his family! *sniff* I don't know how you can live wth yourselves.



https://twitter.com/yashar/status/872285994145292288
06-07-2017 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
You evil bastards, obtructing a great man and his family! *sniff* I don't know how you can live wth yourselves.



https://twitter.com/yashar/status/872285994145292288
Really does look like he's about to cry. He sincerely believes this idiocy. Would be funny if he weren't profiting bigly off of our tax dollars.
06-07-2017 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
For the first time in my life I may have to vote Liberal in the upcoming election in 2019 or whenever it is. Voting for the name Trudeau would make me want to vomit though. (his dad was Prime Minister for like 14 years or something and was super socialist- talked of a Utopian Ideal society and bankrupted Canada)

I wonder how my beloved leader Harper would have treated this US administration, rumours are he didn't get along with Obama which is odd. My guess is Obama wasn't pro free trade enough for Harper who wanted to be super aggressive, he tried forever to get Canada into the EU, with the deal getting done semi-early into Trudeau's tenure. I think Harper originally wanted to be a near full member or something close to what Norway's deal is.

Odd that the right wing has historically been very progressive when it comes to foreign trade, and still is around the world. However in the US, it seems the right wing is much less open to trade than the left.
It's not as odd when you consider that the American left is right-center and think about the horseshoe of global left and right

And the Canadian and Western European right being much closer to the center than in America (and with their far right loonies being separate entities)
06-07-2017 , 01:08 AM
And when we do get a Bernie who claims to be Democratic Socialist but is more like a Social Democrat, then that's far enough for our left to be somewhat protectionist and somewhat opposed to free trade
06-07-2017 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Odd that the right wing has historically been very progressive when it comes to foreign trade, and still is around the world. However in the US, it seems the right wing is much less open to trade than the left.
The right was ardently free trade forever in America until literally the second Trump was the nominee, then everyone flipped in an instant to TRADE BAD, the exact same way the right was anti-Russia/anti-Putin until GOD EMPEROR TRUMP told them PUTIN GOOD.

There is a dangerous cult of personality in America right now affecting over 60 million people. The right, Trump's own children, have already started to dehumanize anyone who doesn't agree with them and direct violence at non-believers.

This is a pretty terrifying time, and I hope the world will react to help right this sinking ship.

Personally, I hope we see some massive tariffs or something for our Paris pullout.
06-07-2017 , 01:19 AM
What's horrifying is how they thought the cult of personality thing was going on with Obama and circulated all those chain emails (and later, facebook memes) about DEAR LEADER and not questioning him and how all our institutions had been changed to make us all see Obama as emperor
06-07-2017 , 01:20 AM
Yeah, the modern GOP only knows how to project. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that's a typical trait amongst cult members.
06-07-2017 , 01:21 AM
What I can't get over is the civilian helping kneel on protestors in Portland Sunday

Just working in tandem with police to be brutal. When if they don't know the civilian, they're going to shoot or taze and arrest him for "helping"
06-07-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Yeah, the modern GOP only knows how to project. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that's a typical trait amongst cult members.
I see potential for that to flow in both directions, like "Its ok this time because now the leader is ONE OF US and it's retaliation"
06-07-2017 , 01:26 AM
06-07-2017 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
I see potential for that to flow in both directions, like "Its ok this time because now the leader is ONE OF US and it's retaliation"
as much as the right whines about how the left's media is biased, that is again projection. The left mostly doesn't want to be spoon-fed what we already think is true. There are some nutters who think GMOs are the devil and will only read news sources that confirm this conspiracy theory, but the rate is far lower and the people who do this are further on the fringe than, say, Fox News viewers.

Do you ever recall CNN refusing to air anything about the Clinton impeachment proceedings because they were trying to cover for him? It seems very likely Fox will refuse to cover the Comey hearings. Even if they don't, they do plenty of stuff like that all the time. And that's their mainstream news network. It only gets worse on the right.

There simply is no comparison to this on the left or the middle.
06-07-2017 , 01:31 AM
Oh, absolutely. I didn't mean it flows left and right. More like the justification <-> projection game the right plays
06-07-2017 , 01:37 AM
Of all the **** today, my favorite had to be Eric Trump saying that he doesn't even consider Democrats human. Somehow it was just perfect hearing that from a guy who looks like a Ken Doll brought to life by a genie.
06-07-2017 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Most obviously that means every tweet he's ever deleted is definitely breaking the law
Is Trump's blocking of critics on Twitter unconstitutional?
06-07-2017 , 02:04 AM
Here world, have another ****ing ally. UN****ingbelievable!
06-07-2017 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
The right was ardently free trade forever in America until literally the second Trump was the nominee, then everyone flipped in an instant to TRADE BAD, the exact same way the right was anti-Russia/anti-Putin until GOD EMPEROR TRUMP told them PUTIN GOOD.

There is a dangerous cult of personality in America right now affecting over 60 million people. The right, Trump's own children, have already started to dehumanize anyone who doesn't agree with them and direct violence at non-believers.

This is a pretty terrifying time, and I hope the world will react to help right this sinking ship.

Personally, I hope we see some massive tariffs or something for our Paris pullout.
About 150 million, no? 60+ million were just the voters.
06-07-2017 , 02:07 AM
tough to say how many exactly, most of those who can't vote (the young, the incarcerated) are not trump fans. But yeah, it's probably closer to 100 million
06-07-2017 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
Is Trump's blocking of critics on Twitter unconstitutional?

I would say no but not a lawyer or a judge. I assume a lot of accounts that he blocked is for no reason other than they hurt his fee fees. I think he should definitely not ban those accounts (only obvious trolls/super ****ty stuff [LOL at that when 80% of his tweets apply here] should be banned) as it is and should be a public forum of sorts. Can't see how it would be unconstitutional tho.

      
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