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06-06-2017 , 12:38 PM

#38901

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

A list of business interests would likely provide a road map for Trump allies and enemies, and a list of Trump's allies and enemies would likely provide a road map for his business interests.

Oh definitely, he gives no ****s about diplomacy beyond what he needs to do to put up big dumb tower with his name on them, it's just shocking how low he's willing to go for no gain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/AlKapDC/status/872128115933413376

There's not enough popcorn on earth for this.

Last edited by otatop; 06-06-2017 at 12:39 PM. Reason: ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu eyebooger and your pony

06-06-2017 , 12:39 PM

#38902

sofocused978

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LOL at him live tweeting during Comey testimony. God I wish I hadn't called in sick 2 weeks ago so I could stay home on Thursday and watch.

06-06-2017 , 12:44 PM

#38903

fatkid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sofocused978

LOL at him live tweeting during Comey testimony. God I wish I hadn't called in sick 2 weeks ago so I could stay home on Thursday and watch.

Yeah I gotta work too. Sucks man f that.

06-06-2017 , 12:45 PM

#38904

Dominic

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06-06-2017 , 12:48 PM

#38905

synth_floyd

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Bring out all the popcorn gifs.

06-06-2017 , 12:49 PM

#38906

RV Life

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LOL Trump is gonna live tweet? Can he dig himself into a legal hole if lies about something Comey says under oath? Or does he need to be under oath as well?

The fact he's going to live tweet just shows Trump thinks this is all a reality TV show. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he offers to testify on TV next week. He'll find out Comey's ratings and say "I can beat that."

06-06-2017 , 12:51 PM

#38907

Pwn_Master

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This is like if a prosecutor were allowed to have a mind-reading machine hooked up to the defendant while the star witness testified.

Robert Mueller and his team be like:

06-06-2017 , 12:52 PM

#38908

DTD

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I just wish he'd Tweet like a dippy teenager - "rut oh, I'm in trouble now lol"

06-06-2017 , 01:00 PM

#38909

Fatal Checkraise

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When will the hearing on Thursday start?

06-06-2017 , 01:01 PM

#38910

FlyWf

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https://www.brookings.edu/blog/marka...-is-fake-news/

The degree to which Trump's government just flatly lies to the America people is incredible, and the way the media played along with FLIPPING OUT about Benghazi having the wrong talking points for a week vs. stories like this(or the Sprint thing, or the inauguration crowd) is a really ****ing dark portent for 2018 and beyond.

We literally aren't going to be litigating the actual facts in future elections.

06-06-2017 , 01:01 PM

#38911

DBLK

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At the same time elsewhere: Four top law firms turned down requests to represent Trump:

Quote:

“The concerns were, ‘The guy won’t pay and he won’t listen,’” said one lawyer close to the White House who is familiar with some of the discussions between the firms and the administration, as well as deliberations within the firms themselves.

06-06-2017 , 01:04 PM

#38912

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

GOP strategists plot anti-media strategy for 2018 elections
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...154106459.html

Quote:

onservative radio hosts mock a physical assault on a reporter. A GOP governor blasts a reporter on Twitter as "a sick man." The president accuses the media of being an “enemy of the people.”

This is not run-of-the-mill Republican criticism of the press anymore. It is now a deliberate strategy to help GOP candidates win elections fueled by public hatred of reporters.

“Does anyone want to see a reporter badly injured? No,” said Tobe Berkovitz, a Boston University advertising expert who advises congressional and gubernatorial election campaigns. "But there are some people who think this is their comeuppance: ‘You’ve been strutting around with no accountability and maybe you should be held accountable.’”

A party that traditionally has had a fraught relationship with the media has become outright hostile, led by a president who picks more fights with journalists than any GOP leader since Richard Nixon.

But interviews with Republican strategists and party leaders across the country reveal that what started as genuine anger at allegedly unfair coverage — or an effort to deflect criticism — is now an integral part of next year’s congressional campaigns.

The hope, say these officials, is to convince Trump die-hards that these mid-term races are as much a referendum on the media as they are on President Trump. That means embracing conflict with local and national journalists, taking them on to show Republicans voters that they, just like the president, are battling a biased press corps out to destroy them.

David Woodard, a political consultant for South Carolina Republicans whose clients have included Sen. Lindsey Graham and Reps. Trey Gowdy and Jeff Duncan of South Carolina, recalled the old adage often quoted by politicians: “Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.”

That’s dead now.

“If you pick a fight with them, I think it kind of helps you, and I don’t think many people care,” Woodard said.

The strategy certainly doesn’t mean literally fighting the media. The strategists interviewed say they don’t want their candidates imitating Republican candidate Greg Gianforte, who last month was charged with assaulting a reporter in Montana.

But the aftermath of that incident was instructive for party strategists. Conservatives media figures, such as Laura Ingraham and Brent Bozell, didn’t rush to condemn Gianforte; they criticized the reporter. And the ensuing coverage, according to one Republican watching the race, energized the GOP voters. (Gainforte went on to defeat Democrat Rob Quist.)

The conservative base needed more of an enemy than the Democratic candidate to become engaged.

“Hillary Clinton is not on the ballot so you have to have something else to run against,” said Charlie Sykes, a former conservative talk radio host from Wisconsin who has been openly critical of Trump. “And the media is perfect.”

It’s “going to be a major part of the strategy,” he predicted.

Attacks against the media are nothing new, of course. But what was once mere dislike “has now morphed into genuine loathing,” Sykes said, fueled by the president’s daily anti-media barrage and a perception among his supporters that coverage of his campaign and now his administration has been unfair.

And that anti-media approach is working among the Republican party’s most fervent supporters — the very voter bloc GOP candidates are eager to re-energize ahead of the 2018 elections. One May survey from Quinnipiac University found that 58 percent of voters disapprove of way the media covers Trump.

Opinions about the state of journalism are even worse. Last year, Gallup found confidence in mass media had dropped to 32 percent, the lowest in Gallup’s history of polling. And local media in many cities, once more popular than their national counterparts, have shrunk in size and influence, making them an easier target.

“You look at how the press is perceived in any kind of opinion survey at the moment, and the press is right down there with Donald Trump,” Berkovitz said.

“The press is held with disgust and contempt. Battling the press isn’t a bad strategy.”

06-06-2017 , 01:05 PM

#38913

RV Life

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I know this is a stupid question, but why does Trump need lawyers? If he's POTUS, doesn't that come w/ special privileges?

06-06-2017 , 01:08 PM

#38914

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

GOP strategists plot anti-media strategy for 2018 elections
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...154106459.html

I thought the general consensus was Gianforte won b/c of early voting, not b/c he hit the reporter.

06-06-2017 , 01:10 PM

#38915

einbert

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Cause of the victory is not necessarily because he hit the reporter, but the point is the conservative media response. Also the main point of the article is just that GOP strategists are seriously thinking about running on this in 2018. Not physically attacking reporters, at least for most of them, but attacking them in speeches/debates/rallies. But then the Dvaut "finishing move" scenario might play out in real life too where you see GOP candidates competing to see who can get the most spectacular beatdowns of journalists on camera.

06-06-2017 , 01:11 PM

#38916

JPantz

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Trump is really going to go down with the ship. I figured he would jump and try to scapegoat someone but no. Gonna go down any way? F it, might as well live tweet about it.

06-06-2017 , 01:13 PM

#38917

eyebooger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise

When will the hearing on Thursday start?

10 AM Eastern

06-06-2017 , 01:14 PM

#38918

eyebooger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu eyebooger and your pony

The similarities of our posts are pretty amazing.

06-06-2017 , 01:20 PM

#38919

Bigoldnit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

I know this is a stupid question, but why does Trump need lawyers? If he's POTUS, doesn't that come w/ special privileges?

Just a few that I can think of:

1) Could still get sued for at least some of the things that happened before you became President.

2) Once you leave office, unless you get a pardon, could be charged with crimes that occurred while in office.

3) Running your big mouth could shine the spotlight on crimes committed by someone who doesn't have the same protections you do.

06-06-2017 , 01:25 PM

#38920

eyebooger

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Not only might he live-tweet, but Trump is also scheduling a speech during the Comey testimony.

I wonder which one Fox News Channel will cover.

06-06-2017 , 01:27 PM

#38921

Loki

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how will he live tweet if he's giving a speech?

06-06-2017 , 01:29 PM

#38922

einbert

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He's gonna give a live speech while he has his phone in his hands tweeting between sentences is my guess. It's very ADD, audiences will love it.

06-06-2017 , 01:34 PM

#38923

Chippa58

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12:30 would be a good time for a lunch break at the hearing.

06-06-2017 , 01:42 PM

#38924

Our House

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigoldnit

Anyone know why things were so different for Nixon? As soon as the tapes came out showing he was guilty of a crime, he resigned.

How come Trump is immune to crimes, and only has to worry about the political decision of impeachment (which won't happen)? Did the laws change after Nixon for the worse? That wouldn't make sense.

06-06-2017 , 01:49 PM

#38925

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

I hate hitting the "Things were better back then" pipe, but I think things might have been a bit better back then. Less nakedly tribal, meaning it took far less for Republicans to turn on Nixon. Though I view claims like that as innately suspicious and it's just a guess, really.

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