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06-04-2017 , 09:12 PM

#38501

fatkid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

I disagree. You are only talking 12 points. What's the saying? "It's the economy, stupid."

If Daddy doesn't produce jobs, people WILL turn on him.

Trump has dominated the news cycle 24/7 for the past 2 years. At some point, that bubble will burst. Fatigue will set in and voters will see he isn't fulfilling his promises.

It's like the OJ Simpson saga. He dominated the news cycle and eventually people got tired of it. There's no way Trump can dominate the news cycle for 6 years. Even events like 9/11 or the Iraq/Afghanistan wars ran their courses in a year or 2.

If trumps drops 12 more to 24 average before the end of his 1st term (85.88 Trump years) I'll ship you a hundy. Free roll dog quote to book. Penis.

06-04-2017 , 09:21 PM

#38502

Clovis8

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Fatkid is right.

I don't understand what data you could use to argue his base will leave him? They have not yet. Literally the only thing he could do for them to leave is register as a democrat.

06-04-2017 , 09:23 PM

#38503

suzzer99

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Nothing is going to shake these guys short of war or famine.

06-04-2017 , 09:25 PM

#38504

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Fatkid is right.

I don't understand what data you could use to argue his base will leave him? They have not yet. Literally the only thing he could do for them to leave is register as a democrat.

Well, I'm not sure I would say that his base is leaving him just yet. But if you did want to make that argument, this might be the data you would look to:

Donald Trump’s Base Is Shrinking
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-is-shrinking/

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06-04-2017 , 09:27 PM

#38505

uDevil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Fatkid is right.

I don't understand what data you could use to argue his base will leave him? They have not yet. Literally the only thing he could do for them to leave is register as a democrat.

It wasn't much more than a year ago people were insisting he had a ceiling he couldn't exceed; except he did, over and over. Now he has a floor he can't drop below? Nah. If anyone can do it, Trump can.

06-04-2017 , 09:29 PM

#38506

stinkubus

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Do these approval polls screen for people who actually vote? Less than half of eligible voters cast a ballot in the last election, so public sentiment may not be the best barometer of how American elections turn out.

06-04-2017 , 09:36 PM

#38507

uDevil

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538 his keeping updated averages of all polls, polls of adults, and polls of registered/likely voters here

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

06-04-2017 , 09:46 PM

#38508

2OutsNoProb

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If he's at 38.9% term average now, there's no way he's going to drop to 24 or 25%. Will not happen. There's simply too many RWNJ's out there committed to the anti-immigrant/anti-abortion/religious freedom cause.

06-04-2017 , 10:00 PM

#38509

fatkid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Lol @ 25. If he goes lower than 25 I'll get a tattoo of Wookies penis on my penis.

06-04-2017 , 10:12 PM

#38510

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

Trump's has already screwed the people he said he was going to give jobs to. It's not the economy, it's deep racial resentment, and Trump is delivering on that.

06-04-2017 , 10:18 PM

#38511

aoFrantic

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Meh, come on guys. GWB at one point had 90% approval, in a few polls literally 100% and got down to 25%. Trump can definitely hit it. Fatigue can set in. I think it's unlikely, but it's definitely possible.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/pr...orge-bush.aspx

06-04-2017 , 10:21 PM

#38512

AllTheCheese

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Fatkid cracking me up itt. I'd seriously bet against it falling below 33% before 2020 if anybody wants a friendly wager.

06-04-2017 , 10:34 PM

#38513

Riverman

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If I have to talk to one more ****ing "liberal" who wants to talk about Hillbilly Elegy

Black people were literally ****ing enslaved, Jesus ****ing Christ with the "feel sorry for people who sabotage their lives despite tons of institutional advantages" bull****

06-04-2017 , 10:40 PM

#38514

einbert

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Well the alternative is to reflect on the fact that we still live in Jim Crow America. That's something a lot of white people don't want to do.

06-04-2017 , 11:07 PM

#38515

corvette24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Scott Pruit might be the single worst trumpkin and that is saying something. He literally never utters a single true thing.

He spent years trying to ruin Oklahoma. He once babbled on about how clean air initiatives were of no importance. If I ever saw him walking by me at a restaurant, I don't know if I could resist punching him.

06-04-2017 , 11:52 PM

#38516

Subfallen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

I disagree. You are only talking 12 points. What's the saying? "It's the economy, stupid."

If Daddy doesn't produce jobs, people WILL turn on him.
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Yeah there's a chunk of his voters who will. People like the Obama '08->DNP->Trump '16 voter in the excerpt below from this WaPo piece. (She actually seems like a decent person, and it's hard not to ache with her hopelessness.)

But there's also so much mental pathology out there, and Trump is just catnip and dog-whistles to all the damaged minds that want the world to reflect their derangement. They'll never leave him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaPo

Matello voted for Barack Obama in 2008, thinking he offered the best option for working people, but she sat out the 2012 election. Last year, she rallied behind Trump after listening to him talk about “the forgotten men and women of our country, people who work hard but don’t have a voice.”

“I’m running to be their voice,” Trump said repeatedly.

What Matello heard was a promise “to restore pride to the working poor.”

A big part of that promise was Trump’s assurance that he would build a “beautiful” health-care system to serve every American, a system that would cost less and do more. But nearly four months into Trump's presidency, Matello sees Trump backing a Republican health care plan that appears to leave low-income people and the elderly worse off.

“I am hearing about a number of people who will lose their coverage under the new plan,” Matello said. “Is Trump the wolf in grandma's clothes? My husband and I are are now saying to each other: ‘Did we really vote for him?’ ”

Matello said she has no option but to keep hoping Trump will devise "a plan so we can all feel the benefits of a better economy." But since he took office, Trump has focused on so many other things — most recently, his decision to fire the FBI director — that Matello has begun to wonder about his promises to the working class:

“Was he just out to get our votes?”

06-05-2017 , 12:02 AM

#38517

Dominic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Lol @ 25. If he goes lower than 25 I'll get a tattoo of Wookies penis on my penis.

Wookie's wife told me you could get five of those tattoos on your penis.

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06-05-2017 , 12:07 AM

#38518

wheatrich

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Trump has a few business ties with Qatar, so this Saudi/Egypt/etc against Qatar thing is a little awkward for him. Qatar gave more to hillary tho so he'll probably just let that go as a sacrifice.

Real glad we have a well oiled state dept and the best negotiator in the world as president to handle such a situation.

ofc we've got centcom + a big military base there atm.

Looks like the gangup has to do with Qatar not ganging up on iran.

Last edited by wheatrich; 06-05-2017 at 12:20 AM.

06-05-2017 , 12:28 AM

#38519

microbet

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Saudi Arabia expelled Qatar from fighting in Yemen. Hopefully they'll do the same to the US.

06-05-2017 , 01:02 AM

#38520

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

At some point, that bubble will burst. Fatigue will set in and voters will see he isn't fulfilling his promises.

The error you are making is not realizing that the main reason most people who voted for Trump did so was not because of the things they expected he WOULD do but rather because of the things he said he WANTED to do. Things that the other candidate did not want to do. As long as he stills seems to want to do them, that is good enough in their minds.

06-05-2017 , 01:46 AM

#38521

yeSpiff

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

06-05-2017 , 02:06 AM

#38522

chuckleslovakian

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Like always, lol Florida

06-05-2017 , 02:48 AM

#38523

JacktheDumb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

Anyone see the Megyn Kelly interview of Putin? I just watched it.

First thing I noticed was the YouTube search results. It was "Putin Destroys arrogant reporter (or whatever) Megyn Kelly!" vs "raw interview" vs "Kelly grills Putin" at approximately a 6:2:1 ratio.

Sick, not just that Russia is all up in our **** again, but that scumbag asshat Trumpists are attracted to "facts" showing American reporters as our biggest enemy and our biggest enemy as a hero.

To be fair, i would award the points to Putin in this interview. Kelly is just trying to get confession out of a trained spy who also happens to be the president. Even if the whole story is true, who would really think that Putin would micromanage something like the handling of Flynn?

06-05-2017 , 04:04 AM

#38524

Our House

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JacktheDumb

By talking? People "beat" reporters by talking all the time. But if you're not going to fact check them in the least, what's the point? Liars gonna lie.