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06-04-2017 , 10:09 AM

#38426

Our House

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

It is not hyperbole to say there is a non-zero chance that the US may not be a democracy in a few years. I don't think this is likely but it is a real possibility.

The GOP Congress is obviously smart enough to realize this. Either their potential gain is so huge that they're willing to take the risk, or they welcome it. I don't see other possibilities.

If waiting for 2020 is out, we're forced to rely on what, criminal investigations that implicate lawmakers, or flipping seats in 2018?

06-04-2017 , 10:13 AM

#38427

13ball

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lol at thinking it's a good idea to have a guy named Boris with a Russian accent defend Trump on television.

06-04-2017 , 10:15 AM

#38428

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by Our House

If it really does come to this you are way past winning at the ballot box. You are now into French Revolution territory. When the system is broken you can't expect the system to fix it.

We are obviously not there yet but the signs don't look good.

06-04-2017 , 10:19 AM

#38429

synth_floyd

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Meh, in defense of MtP and all other press shows, if they ask questions that are too tough, they will dodge the question or spin. I mean when was the last time that there was breaking news based on a TV political show? (Besides when Trump admitted to firing Comey because of the investigation. LUL) Any politician with half a brain can spin their way out of virtually anything. And if the shows are perceived as too hostile, they just stop going on them.

06-04-2017 , 10:24 AM

#38430

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

****ing **** Sinclair to ****ing hell.

This Sinclair stuff really disturbs me. My parents watch FoxNews but they know it's biased. They also watch local news every night. Even in KC the local Fox station skews kinda liberal, as does the KC star (which my parents think is liberal but would be conservative by CA standards).

Yet my parents and like 80% of the boomers (who still watch local news and read the KC Star) are conservative. I can't even imagine if they get even more confirmation of their worldview from the local news. Ugh.

06-04-2017 , 10:32 AM

#38431

fatkid

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Originally Posted by Our House

1. Analyze situation for profit potential.
2. Secure self, maybe family.
3. Tweet "WAAF UNLESS we do [most profitable action]" and spread blame around.
4. Build up ratings for upcoming TV appearance.
5. Ask Vladimir what to do.
6. Offer lots of help to Republican base. Help later.
7. Go on TV. Repeat steps 3 & 6.
8. Offer less help to Democrats. Never help.
9. Watch Fox for feedback on own speech. Count # of times they say "Trump" during the analysis. Catch updates of national emergency in between.
10. Check to see if this is a good time to lift Russian sanctions.
11. Repeat step 1.
12. ?????
13. Yay step 1!

06-04-2017 , 10:34 AM

#38432

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Trump is fascinating. Evil masterminds are smart. Idiots are naive. How often does an evil idiot get control of the world? The US ****ed up so badly and doesn't know how to recover. Almost half the country is continuing to **** up, and another 25% or so is complacent. We're in pretty deep and need heroic help soon imo.

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06-04-2017 , 10:40 AM

#38433

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Mueller/FBI/IC know a lot more about the urgency than we do, and it's virtually certain that the situation is more urgent than it seems.

06-04-2017 , 10:47 AM

#38434

Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/871051086118793216

****ing **** Sinclair to ****ing hell.

WAAF.

06-04-2017 , 10:54 AM

#38435

All-In Flynn

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In some future school textbook, there'll be a section where Trump's twitter feed is mentioned in the same paragraph as Roosevelt's Fireside chats. Reflect on that.

06-04-2017 , 10:58 AM

#38436

Onlydo2days

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Historians will definitely have a hard time grasping Trump.

06-04-2017 , 11:01 AM

#38437

DTD

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I just hope that before that we don't get a period where even more school textbooks talk about Adam & Eve and Noah's Ark.

06-04-2017 , 11:03 AM

#38438

Onlydo2days

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Maybe just have everyone read The Art of The Deal as mandatory reading

06-04-2017 , 11:25 AM

#38439

fatkid

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These guys loooooovvveeee them some bad brown people. Anything to distract from daddy news.

06-04-2017 , 12:10 PM

#38440

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Obviously the solution to our problems is massive prison sentences for teen sexters:

The House voted to send teens who sext to prison for 15 years – seriously – and only two Republicans opposed it
http://rare.us/rare-politics/rare-li...b645b806a7020f

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I lost my virginity before I turned 18. This is not unusual for millions of young Americans. It was the early 1990s, so I didn’t have a smartphone at the time, but if I had, there’s a good chance that at 15 or 16 or 17 years old I might have sent or received a sexually explicit photo. I could definitely see myself asking my then girlfriend for such photos – who was a year older than me but still a minor – and could also see many other teenage boys doing the same in any era.

But now, in the name of fighting child pornography – obviously a laudable goal – the U.S. House of Representatives has voted to mandate a 15-year mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who shares sexually explicit photos of minors, including minors.

RELATED: About 3,800 people are jailed in New York City right now just because they’re poor

Reason’s Elizabeth Nolan Brown reports:

Teens who text each other explicit images could be subject to 15 years in federal prison under a new bill that just passed the House of Representatives. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas), ranking member of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, has called the measure “deadly and counterproductive.”

“While the bill is well intended, it is overbroad in scope and will punish the very people it indicates it is designed to protect: our children,” Lee said during a House floor debate over the bill. The bill would also raise “new constitutional concerns” and “exacerbate overwhelming concerns with the unfair and unjust mandatory minimum sentencing that contributes to the overcriminalization of juveniles and mass incarceration generally.”

Introduced by Rep. Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) in March, the “Protecting Against Child Exploitation Act of 2017” passed the House by an overwhelming majority last week.

06-04-2017 , 12:11 PM

#38441

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

06-04-2017 , 12:19 PM

#38442

einbert

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https://twitter.com/JeremyMcLellan/s...42165698416640

06-04-2017 , 01:20 PM

#38443

simplicitus

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Exactly. Trumpkins are not making an intellectual choice to support him. It's religious in the cult sense of the word. It is wholly immune to data, either new or old. They support him for two reasons; he appeals to their deepest base prejudices and he leads thier team. Neither of those will change based on the investigation so it's result will be meaningless to people like Avwal. Trump will still be a white nationalist after the investigation so Avwal will still support him.

Someone needs to write a think piece on "herd" support for their chosen side. It's somewhat understandable, in that you're not going to change the team you root for just because your QB is a lecherous dunce and the opposing QB is a paragon on virtues. Instead you'll find other qualities to emphasize. Even for the semi-open minded Trump is just a bad harvest, not a reason to plant new crops. Some people's minds only get a real workout in erecting epicycles of self-justification.

It must have been a revelation to team owners when they discovered they could replace half the roster every year and maintain fan support.

06-04-2017 , 01:27 PM

#38444

simplicitus

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Was looking for BookTV episodes on cspan and came across a panel discussion with molly ball and the head of the Cook Political Report from 10 days before the election. They both considered Trump dead man walking unless "a meteor hits the earth." They were basically speaking of him in past tense and gaming out Hillary's challenges, including the upcoming contentious Garland nomination.

Now, I haven't reexamined the data and the level on the Comedy effect, but these are two of the best political reporters/analysts around, and if they thought Trump was done, Hillary must have had a really bad final week.