You mean the FBI investigation he obstructed? The obstruction is a crime, he admitted to it. What is there to wait for before you begin the political process?

It says 2/3 in the Constitution.

The argument is that firing the FBI Director is not obstruction.

You may disagree, but that is the argument. You are aware the investigation is still ongoing.

Exactly. Trumpkins are not making an intellectual choice to support him. It's religious in the cult sense of the word. It is wholly immune to data, either new or old. They support him for two reasons; he appeals to their deepest base prejudices and he leads thier team. Neither of those will change based on the investigation so it's result will be meaningless to people like Avwal. Trump will still be a white nationalist after the investigation so Avwal will still support him.

This makes sense. And if it gets to the point that he would definitely be convicted, maybe, MAYBE he would resign. But just knowing his personality type, I see him fighting it to the end. The other thing is his removal from office would accelerate the complete splitting and factioning of the Republican party and you could see massive upheavals across both houses of congress. Not just Democrats getting elected, but major stars like Paul Ryan and John McCain perhaps getting primaried by other Republicans. It could signal a massive shift in American politics. I think the safer bet for Republicans in Congress is just to go along with Trump and hope they survive the next four years somehow.

Why? It clearly is.

Also as bad as we and large parts of world think of Trump. He still does have a lot of support, who is either not informed, doesnt care or just does have a different opinion on many things. There is absolutely no reason to believe Trump couldnt be reelected by running another populist campaign

Omg, you couldn't be a more obtuse and spineless if you tried. With all the evidence out there* and Trump's admission that he fired him because of the Russia investigation, do you AGREE with that argument?

Earlier you responded to a post saying his admission was a smoking gun with "its a political process."

If you agree that he didn't obstruct justice, then let's have a discussion about why not. If you think he did obstruct justice, then it is time to hold him accountable, people like you are the only ones who can do it.

* Saying you want to wait until Comey confirms the reports in his testimony next week is fine

A situation were impeachment is more preferable to the GOP over not impeaching him. Were are far away from the point.

Wake up dude. Seriously. Think about the facts. Think about Trump's own admissions, before you post nonsense like this.

Trump was warned several times about Flynn by the bipartisan people with career experience in the best positions to know. And instead of even slightly considering a look into Flynn's situation, he fired of all the messengers! Then he went on to lie, deceive and misdirect in every single statement about Flynn since. He's fought tooth and nail against ANY truth coming out about Flynn to the point that he's been confessing on TV and Twiiter to breaking laws to cover that all up.

Face it bro, Flynn's connections to Russia and Turkey weren't unknown to Trump...they were a PREREQUISITE to his NSA POSITION!

And even if you could pass it off as Flynn and Manafort, there's still Stone and Page. There's still Nunes and Sessions and Kushner and...ugh...all of them doing all kinds of lying on government forms and under oath to cover up what? RUSSIA. ALWAYS RUSSIA.

For the bold part, people on both sides need to stop saying "the investigation" (singular). Democrats appear ignorant and Republicans appear dishonest. There are SEVEN investigations at a minimum and 10 if the rumors about 3 other ones are accurate.

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Here is the relevant chain. My point original point was essentially that Trump won't get impeached because it's a political process. Aarwval disagrees by saying we don't know what the evidence show, implying that the results of the FBI investigation would somehow transcend politics and make a difference, people point out that several smoking guns already exist, to which he replies impeachment is a political process. Cue headdesk.

Is that ALL Trump did is is there more to the story? Is there any other obstruction? Answer honestly please.

Again! Keep lying to yourself.

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OK, so he said it's a hoax on many occasions and then pulled the US out of the Paris accord, but it's still unclear?

The media is just so ****ing awful when it comes to science. They might as well be asking if trump believes in gravity, yet they are all too stupid to understand there is no difference, so they honestly think it's something someone gets to believe in.

There's a huge difference to the uneducated. Gravity can be demonstrated by tossing almost any object into the air. You can't summon ecological disaster on command.

They're in legal defense mode right now. No answer to that question will look good, so they chose to take the lesser heat of a non-answer instead.

Trump's problem is whatever he says at this point gets him into trouble. Our problem is whatever trouble he gets into at this point has no consequence.

Game-changing if true.

No bet. But I'd bet a lot of money that should the impeachment process ever move forward and look sufficiently bad for Trump, Awval will be weeping with pride that our political process is taking our country back.

Trumpkin on CNN: Yes I voted for Trump. I couldn't deal with Hillary. I couldn't deal with a puppet."

LMAO, "No YOU'RE the puppet!"

Like somehow having a puppet for 60% of the US population is orders worse than having a puppet for all of the country's foreign enemies. Get a grip lady.

It says a lot of things in the constitution that don't apply to trump for some reason, why should this one matter?

100% this. But I think he might be able to squeeze out a tear if it exonerates him, too. Behold The Process, in all its stately glory.

Possible I guess but he will never ever under any circumstances indicate he made any type of error in voting for him.

The lying part of the Iran/Contra scandal was really bad, but there were at least 30000 political killings by the Contras and maybe 200000 in the region in that period and US support (much of it illegal) played a huge role. I know that doesn't amount to a scandal in the US, but it should.

But it still wasn't just the lying. The reason for the lying was that Congress passed a law ( an amendment) prohibiting funding to the Contras. funding the Contras was illegal. The money came from arms sales to Iran, which was also illegal.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it gets my goat a bit when tremendous evil is done and the thing that people get most offended by is lying to congress or contempt of court or something.

Gotta give Putin credit. He's one of the smarter and craftier scum ****s around. His recent comments are clearly carefully constructed to mean different things to different people, and he knows there's are strong firewalls between the groups he's addressing.

The strategy seems to compliment Trump, reinforce his base's faith in him, warn his opponents who are running the country, troll the Americans against him, and show off to the rest of the world. All while casting doubt on his or Trump's involvement in rigging the election, and focusing blame on citizen hackers in both countries.

It's brilliant. And scary. And intriguing. And criminal.

Einbert,

Awval isn't who MLK was talking about in that letter about liberals.